AEW Dynamite 10/2

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Iâ??m watching. Havenâ??t seen a single second of AEW yet, so Iâ??m curious. Hope itâ??s good.

[Spidey]

Def giving this a chance. Can't be any worse than Raw's debut episode.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Def giving this a chance. Can't be any worse than Raw's debut episode.

Yes it can. Certainly had bad spots, but it wasnâ??t as bad as youâ??re making it sound.

[Spidey]

Okay.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Hope Aries is here. So underutilized in WWE. Was so hot in TNA until they screwed it up.

[smarkmouth]

Glad to join you all in the LD. Love the look of things!

[smarkmouth]

Andreza Giant Panda > Sammy Guevara. I'm sorry but he invites the comparison.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I know itâ??s obvious copywrite issues, but the name being just â??Codyâ? doesnâ??t work for me. Feel like they couldâ??ve just changed it to something else.

[shafe_41]

I liked the one match I've seen with Sammy. I'm excited for this. I loved how amped Cody was.

Also... Holy. Shit. Brandi.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I liked the one match I've seen with Sammy. I'm excited for this. I loved how amped Cody was.

Also... Holy. Shit. Brandi.

Easy to look at.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Big Poppa Pump! Lol

[shafe_41]

Easy to look at.

Always is. But she's looking especially good. The dress. The purple hair works for her. Big fan.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Rewound to confirm that was Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes.

[shafe_41]

Rewound to confirm that was Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes.

It was definitely Jay and his hetero lifemate Silent Bob.

[smarkmouth]

Rewound to confirm that was Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes.

They're even the first AEW tag champs.

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[shafe_41]

A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUBBLY!!!

[shafe_41]

Definitely need to time some things out better. This isn't something we should just be seeing. We should be hearing the announcers during this.

[Spidey]

Love that Jericho's silently beating the piss out of Cody while commercials run.

[klunderbunker]

I'm not big on the split screen during breaks but it's a good opening segment.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I like how Codyâ??s a face, but clearly not some boring generic face. Even has Brandi cheating. I get WWE is more for kids, but they could still use that more. Closest they have is KO.

[shafe_41]

I like how Cody’s a face, but clearly not some boring generic face. Even has Brandi cheating. I get WWE is more for kids, but they could still use that more. Closest they have is KO.

See that's where I think they have to improve. With the type of crowd AEW has, they need to solidify heels and faces.

Speaking of heels.... this dude is fucking king.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Been hearing about MJF. Seems good on the mic. Obviously small sample size for me though.

[shafe_41]

Been hearing about MJF. Seems good on the mic. Obviously small sample size for me though.

MJF has been the best heel going for a solid 18 months. His only downside is that he is sometimes almost TOO entertaining.

[klunderbunker]

Indeed. Cornette has talked about how he wishes he was clever enough to come up with some of MJF's insults.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

See that's where I think they have to improve. With the type of crowd AEW has, they need to solidify heels and faces.

Speaking of heels.... this dude is fucking king.

Not sure I agree about the faces, but weâ??ll see over time.

[smarkmouth]

Not to rag on smaller wrestlers, but did they lower the ropes to accommodate their roster? Seems people are struggling with moonsaults and other springboard spots, as if they're not getting as high as usual.

[shafe_41]

That didn't seem like it went right. Match ended real quick.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Not to rag on smaller wrestlers, but did they lower the ropes to accommodate their roster? Seems people are struggling with moonsaults and other springboard spots, as if they're not getting as high as usual.

I did notice how small Sammy was. Remember, Cody was a smaller guy in WWE.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Kevin Smith is so skinny.

[shafe_41]

Not sure I agree about the faces, but we’ll see over time.

I guess I just mean with what Cody actually means to AEW, right now, he just can't be a heel. But you could argue he and Brandy are the ones that cheated. While what Sammy did was shitty putting Brandi in the way, it's not actually cheating. I know who the heels are SUPPOSED to be, but some guys I actually can't tell you if they're heels or not. Is So Cal Uncensored faces or heels? I legit have no idea. They seem to be doing a good job doing it so far though.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Jurassic express? No longer a boy and his dinosaur?

[Fire Marshall Bill]

I think the last time I remember seeing Dean Malenko is WCW lol.

[smarkmouth]

Lucha Masks and designer suits is my favourite aesthetic.

[Yer Maw]

Did I actually hear Tony call MJF a prick?

[klunderbunker]

Did I actually hear Tony call MJF a prick?

Nope. Called him an SOB in MLW the other day.

[shafe_41]

Did I actually hear Tony call MJF a prick?

Sure did.

[smarkmouth]

Just noticed the WLT record. Simple but nice touch.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Has PAC developed any kind of mic skills or personality since leaving WWE?

[smarkmouth]

Yeah, if PAC is struggling with the ropes on multiple moves there's an issue.

[smarkmouth]

Has PAC developed any kind of mic skills or personality since leaving WWE?

Whaaaat? The angry bastard was great at the end of his 205 run. To each their own, though.

[Yer Maw]

The bastard Pac

Why is he a bastard?

[Spidey]

He literally kicked dude in the nuts a few minutes ago.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Whoâ??s the woman on commentary?

[BestSportsEntertainer]

How has the show been so far?

[Yer Maw]

He literally kicked dude in the nuts a few minutes ago.

Good point

[Yer Maw]

Whoâ??s the woman on commentary?

Britt Baker

[Yer Maw]

This should have been the main event btw.

[smarkmouth]

The bastard Pac

Why is he a bastard?

He sure ain't The Jolly PAC.

[smarkmouth]

How has the show been so far?

Solid, but they need a hook, stat.

[shafe_41]

Solid, but they need a hook, stat.

I've thought the same thing. In 90 minutes, they've done nothing to make someone say "holy shit, I NEED to watch this next week."

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Does she speak English? Seems dumb not to at least let her say something.

[Yer Maw]

Wasn't Moxley supposed to have a promo? I assume he's going to attack Kenny.

[smarkmouth]

Um, where the fuck is Mox?

[shafe_41]

Does she speak English? Seems dumb not to at least let her say something.

Yeah not a fan of that segment after they did basically the same thing after the Cody/Sammy match. Also not a fan of not having Kenny's entrance separate from the Bucks. And what was the point of seeing Kenny come out for the "save" for Riho, just to push him backstage to have him come through the entrance again? Definitely a couple head-scratching things happening tonight. And like someone said, they've not done anything to make me say "holy shit, I gotta tune in next week."

[shafe_41]

Um, where the fuck is Mox?

He'll probably attack Kenny during/after this match.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

They had a commercial about his match. Wasnâ??t he injured or something?

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Jericho is the GOAT. Mark your bingo spaces.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Well thereâ??s your answer. Shouldnâ??t that still be a disqualification?

[smarkmouth]

He'll probably attack Kenny during/after this match.

Likely, but as we've said, show needs a hook, and an advertised run in ain't it.

[shafe_41]

Well there’s your answer. Shouldn’t that still be a disqualification?

Yeah not a fan of there not being a DQ. Gotta ring that bell. You have to keep some sort of order with the general rules of wrestling. Just doing whatever you want without reason will get you nowhere.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I didn't see the first hour, but this has been very good. I'm definitely watching next week.

[shafe_41]

Likely, but as we've said, show needs a hook, and an advertised run in ain't it.

Oh no doubt, but was Moxley actually ADVERTISED for the show? He was on the general poster yes, but that's before he had to pull himself from All Out.

[Yer Maw]

DDT through a glass table!! Immediately goes to a break..

[Yer Maw]

Oh no doubt, but was Moxley actually ADVERTISED for the show? He was on the general poster yes, but that's before he had to pull himself from All Out.

It was announced he was going to have a live mic and cut a promo.

[smarkmouth]

Oh no doubt, but was Moxley actually ADVERTISED for the show? He was on the general poster yes, but that's before he had to pull himself from All Out.

He was indeed advertised for the show in recent promotion as "Appearing Live" with social media banners to say so. Assuming he was running in by the main event was a fair extrapolation.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Thereâ??s a surprise.

[Fire Marshall Bill]

We the people chant lol

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Edit - Misheard that

Jack Swagger is a nice surprise

[shafe_41]

HOLY SHIT IT'S SWAGGER!!!!!

Not exactly a hook that hooks a casual, but I definitely yelled "holy shit" at home.

[Yer Maw]

Wow didn't expect swagger.

Thought they were chanting we want refunds at first lol

[shafe_41]

Guys like Swagger though are the guys AEW could really use. The guys that showed a shit ton of potential in WWE but WWE just couldn't use right, couldn't find the right gimmick/program for, or guys that were just a victim of such a massive roster.

[Spidey]

Solid debut. Pretty fun stuff.

[klunderbunker]

Dynamite
Date: October 2, 2019
Location: Capitol One Arena, Washington DC
Commentators: Jim Ross, Tony Schiavone, Excalibur

We’re finally here. It almost feels weird to imagine that it’s actually happening but here we are. This is the debut episode of the much ballyhooed weekly series from AEW and the hype seems to be real. The show is going head to head live with NXT as the Wednesday Night Wars begin. I’m actually excited for this so let’s get to it.

Click on the link below for the full review.

As Eliteish As You Can Get (https://kbwrestlingreviews.com/2019/10/02/dynamite-october-2-2019-debut-episode-as-eliteish-as-you-can-get/)

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Fine first episode. Few things here and there, but overall decent.

[Jack-Hammer]

I already posted this in the NXT section but figured, what the hell:

After having watched both shows, I watched NXT first and then saw the replay of AEW, and I have to give the edge to NXT tonight but that's not to say AEW put on a bad show. Nobody could watch either show tonight and objectively say that either one was bad; one show may have had someone you liked better on at a certain time or you may have liked a certain match better but, in the grand scheme of things, just about everything worked on both shows. The only way I can see anyone saying that either show sucked is if they're just being trolls because if you didn't enjoy tonight's shows, then you just may as well stop watching wrestling altogether because I have absolutely no earthly idea what it is that's going to entertain you. If you're looking for two shows where there's little to no filler, where they can use vignettes and promos that last no more than 7 to 10 minutes to tell you what's going on & who the wrestlers are rather than meander about for 15 to 20 minutes and physical, athletic in-ring action then you should've been tickled pink tonight. Otherwise, just go and watch your garbage wrestling deathmatches in your best friend's backyard or some condemned gas station where the wrestlers beat each other with fluorescent light tubes and you run risk of catching Hepatitis due to them bleeding all over you.

For NXT, it's mostly what we've become used to over the last 5.5 years: a brand that knows how to deliver a quality wrestling product while making the best possible use of the time they have available to them
For AEW, it's mostly what I think most were expecting: an overall solid introduction to a brand new wrestling promotion featuring only a few familiar faces that also made good use of the time they had.

The biggest complaint I had regarding AEW was the commentary, I don't know the frig this Excalibur guy is but he just really, really kept getting off the mark sometimes. For instance, he started talking about how one of the wrestlers was into Dungeons & Dragons and sort of assigning strength stats to said wrestler or whatever. Anyway, he just really, really seemed like the odd man out in there with two veterans like Jim Ross and Tony Schiavone. While it's always nice to hear Jim Ross, he seems so subdued now, he doesn't have nearly the sort of spark that he once had. While Mauro may go a bit over the top sometimes, Beth Phoenix and Nigel McGuinness act as a good counter balance to that.

Overall, I thought NXT put on the stronger matches in most cases though, again, there weren't really any bad matches on the card but I felt AEW's main event was far weaker as they telegraphed too much having Moxley interfere and take Omega out of the match. Also, and this isn't any sort of major complaint or anything of that nature, I had to laugh at AEW's Women's World Championship belt as I had no idea it was so tiny. I mean, this was my first really good look at it and it looked really small even with Riho holding it and it would've looked like some toy belt that comes with a wrestling action figure if a woman of any physical size gets hold of it. It looked like it wouldn't even fit around Nyla Rose's arm.

As cliché as this might sound, due to wrestling journalists, wrestlers themselves and executives saying it, wrestling fans were the winners tonight. Not every show will be as loaded as this, that goes for both shows, especially NXT as there's literally dozens of wrestlers who can be pulled from all over WWE to work NXT on USA some weeks, but that's okay as you can't just leave it all out there every single week. With that being said, however, you're pretty much guaranteed to get overall more wrestling content on these shows than Raw or SmackDown because neither AEW or NXT have monthly PPV events to sell. The last I heard, AEW only wants to run four PPVs next year and, unless things change, NXT only has five TakeOver specials, or that's been the case for the past few years, so don't be at all surprised to see a lot of PPV worthy matches pop up a lot on both NXT and AEW.

[SSJPhenom]

I had a lot of fun with AEW Dynamite. It kinda sucked because I watched with my Dad and he's only familiar with WWE wrestlers so just about everyone that came out I had to explain who they were and why the crowd was cheering or booing them. After the show, though, to my Dad's credit, he spent a few hours on YouTube becoming aware of all the people that caught his interest that he didn't know. He kept calling the old WWE wrestlers by their WWE names. I kept having to explain that, "No, he's Jon Moxley", or "That's not Goldust, that's Dustin Rhodes, that's not Jack Swagger, etc etc". We had a ball though.

It was a good first show and I'm definitely hooked for next week, however, I do think that they need a little more focus on storylines. I liked all the wrestling, but we can't have match after match after match like that every week because the crowd will get bored and burned out quickly. I think they could use a few more promos here and there, but it was still a good first show. I'm not talking about spending the first 20 min of the show talking and what not like WWE, but I would've just liked to see more focus on storylines and a couple more promos. I loved the ending and are those heels officially a stable now? That'd be cool. I love stables, but god I hope they don't try to do a nWo or Aces and Eights thing. Please don't do that. Future is bright for AEW though and I think they're going to be legit competition for the WWE. They have some smart people organizing them and they have a billionaire writing checks. They're already bigger than TNA and RoH. Dynamite was a WWE level show and hopefully this will ignite the next boom period in the business because let's be honest, we're overdue for one of those. It's been 20 years since the last ended.

[Jack-Hammer]

I had a lot of fun with AEW Dynamite. It kinda sucked because I watched with my Dad and he's only familiar with WWE wrestlers so just about everyone that came out I had to explain who they were and why the crowd was cheering or booing them. After the show, though, to my Dad's credit, he spent a few hours on YouTube becoming aware of all the people that caught his interest that he didn't know. He kept calling the old WWE wrestlers by their WWE names. I kept having to explain that, "No, he's Jon Moxley", or "That's not Goldust, that's Dustin Rhodes, that's not Jack Swagger, etc etc". We had a ball though.

It was a good first show and I'm definitely hooked for next week, however, I do think that they need a little more focus on storylines. I liked all the wrestling, but we can't have match after match after match like that every week because the crowd will get bored and burned out quickly. I think they could use a few more promos here and there, but it was still a good first show. I'm not talking about spending the first 20 min of the show talking and what not like WWE, but I would've just liked to see more focus on storylines and a couple more promos. I loved the ending and are those heels officially a stable now? That'd be cool. I love stables, but god I hope they don't try to do a nWo or Aces and Eights thing. Please don't do that. Future is bright for AEW though and I think they're going to be legit competition for the WWE. They have some smart people organizing them and they have a billionaire writing checks. They're already bigger than TNA and RoH. Dynamite was a WWE level show and hopefully this will ignite the next boom period in the business because let's be honest, we're overdue for one of those. It's been 20 years since the last ended.


I think both AEW and NXT will incorporate some longer promo segments here and there, nothing extreme but a 7 to 10 minute segment each hour on some episodes. Right now, both brands are more into showing off their differences from Raw and SmackDown by putting emphasis on the wrestling action and/or these loaded cards. Both shows have come out of the gate on TV strong but some adjustments may have to be made considering NXT drew just under 900,000 viewers last night while AEW's premiere garnered 1.4 million. AEW had the advantage and novelty of being brand new, a brand new promotion totally separate from WWE and brand new to TV, that was different than Raw or SmackDown. That newness in and of itself, like NXT, is partially responsible for a strong debut. Next week's show could be just slightly more telling in the long run if AEW's viewership increases or decreases, and by how much, or remains in the same general area.

[Yer Maw]

Anyone watching AEW dark on YouTube? Holy shit is it full of botches, Excalibur especially.