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Jack-Hammer
01-07-2020, 09:13 AM
On last night's episode of Raw, they revealed 8 of the 30 participants in the match: Roman Reigns, Ricochet, Rey Mysterio, AJ Styles, Randy Orton, Erick Rowan, Drew McIntyre and the WWE Champion himself, Brock Lesnar. Now only is Lesnar entering the match, but he's entering the match at #1. This would mean there are only 3 spots left to fill for the Raw brand if the rumored plan for WWE to have 10 wrestlers from Raw, SmackDown and NXT compete.

Lesnar being in the match would suggest that the title will be on the line, though it wasn't made clear one way or another. The only other time the reigning champ has been in the Rumble match itself was back in 2016 with Roman Reigns as champion only for him to be eliminated by Triple H so Trips could win the title for the 9th time in his career. I suppose WWE could still have Lesnar in the match with the title not being on the line, though it makes no real sense and flies in the face of Lesnar bragging about being able to "conquer the universe" and all that as if he loses, he hasn't really lost anything.

I have a bad feeling about this in that I feel this match will be sort of another love letter to Lesnar from Vince. I don't believe Lesnar will win the match, I just don't see him staying out there the entire 1 hour+ this match usually takes, but I do have a feeling he'll wind up making most of the other men in the match look like chumps. They'll come off like scrubs who should be carrying Lesnar's bags to and from his rental car rather than someone worthy to challenge him for the title because Vince LOVES seeing displays of alpha male bullshit, even when it's at the expense of much of the rest of the roster. As a result, I won't be at all surprised if fully half of the 30 men in the match wind up being eliminated by Lesnar, many of them in short order, before he winds up being eliminated by one person in particular or a group of them manages to hang on in the match and get Lesnar out, thus guaranteeing a new champion. Given the brand split, you're all but certain that someone from Raw wins the match and that the challenger for the Universal Championship is determined at a later time. Thus far, of those on the Raw side of things, the only match that I think has any real interest to me would be if McIntyre wins the Rumble, becomes the new champ and Lesnar gets his rematch for the title against Drew and WrestleMania. We've seen Lesnar devastate Mysterio, Reigns is on SmackDown and even if he wasn't he vs. Lesnar has been done to death, Styles has shown he can get a great match out of Lesnar but everyone already knows the outcome the second it looks it'd happen, Erick Rowan's nowhere near ready, Orton vs. Lesnar will be a snoozefest and we've already see Lesnar devastate Orton a few years back, Ricochet could get a good match from Lesnar but I just don't see him winning the title at RR, let alone retain in a rematch against Lesnar. You figure that Seth Rollins will be one of the other guys from Raw in the match and the other being Samoa Joe or Kevin Owens or both if WWE really isn't planning on having 10 men from each brand in the match. If they are then, as of right now, McIntyre is probably the only viable guy.

I've really enjoyed the last couple of Royal Rumble matches as they've changed the formula in which you didn't have a single wrestler go out there and be ultra dominant and eliminate 8, 10 or 12 guys, which helped to give the matches more of a "anyone can win" feel. I think they'll be abandoning that formula this time around, however, for Lesnar since Vince can't resist an opportunity to make him look all but untouchable, even though he's done it so often that it's redundant by this point.

Jack-Hammer
01-07-2020, 03:02 PM
According to WrestleVotes, Lesnar will not be defending the WWE Championship in the Rumble match nor will he wind up winning the match itself. So this clears up a few things, if true, and it may well be used as a means of setting up whomever he'll face at WrestleMania.

Also, there were a few rumors flying about that two of the matches being talked about would be Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez and Lesnar vs. Tyson Fury but neither of those matches will be happening, Praise the Lord.

Y 2 Jake
01-07-2020, 04:43 PM
It's being set up so you're surprised when Lesnar is eliminated first.

Stone Cold Tea
01-07-2020, 05:43 PM
You should put that but from Wrestlevotes in spoilers. I've stopped following those sites to try get more enjoyment.

It's a strange move but its one I'm interested in watching which is what matters I guess.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-08-2020, 08:03 PM
Big Show is obviously going to win this. How could anyone ever eliminate him?

Storm Trooper
01-10-2020, 12:15 AM
I know who I want to see eliminate Brock Lesnar, and see him beat Lesnar at Mania. It won't happen because the fans will likely shit on it.


https://theovertimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Baron-Corbin-King-Corbin-A.jpg

I'm not crazy. OK well maybe not entirely crazy. But it'd turn Lesnar (who needs a bit of a change of pace) a bit and really give him a big win which he needs to be believed on the upper card, since he really hasn't won a ton of big matches.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-10-2020, 08:41 PM
Running the fantasy league has really gotten to you, Storm Trooper. Maybe you should let me and someone else take over for a while?

JHOLCOMB22
01-10-2020, 09:50 PM
I know who I want to see eliminate Brock Lesnar, and see him beat Lesnar at Mania. It won't happen because the fans will likely shit on it.


https://theovertimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Baron-Corbin-King-Corbin-A.jpg

I'm not crazy. OK well maybe not entirely crazy. But it'd turn Lesnar (who needs a bit of a change of pace) a bit and really give him a big win which he needs to be believed on the upper card, since he really hasn't won a ton of big matches.

I'll keep your spoiler a secret, but if his WM match last year as well as his current title haven't given him enough credibility, I don't think winning the rumble will. They have booked him so poorly, giving him opportunity and taking it away. Starting a couple years ago when he could have been champ. I hope they don't have him win, because honestly, I don't think they would pull the trigger on having him take the title off brock, fiend, or even Cole

Storm Trooper
01-13-2020, 05:14 AM
Running the fantasy league has really gotten to you, Storm Trooper. Maybe you should let me and someone else take over for a while?


I'll keep your spoiler a secret, but if his WM match last year as well as his current title haven't given him enough credibility, I don't think winning the rumble will. They have booked him so poorly, giving him opportunity and taking it away. Starting a couple years ago when he could have been champ. I hope they don't have him win, because honestly, I don't think they would pull the trigger on having him take the title off brock, fiend, or even Cole
Part of it is just being a fan of his. Part of it is trying to fix their creative fuckups. Naturally the best way is to give him 5 months off TV then get him back with a big win. But the 2nd best is to just give him a big win.

Imagine the fans shitting on him winning, it'd be glorious.

Jack-Hammer
01-16-2020, 08:36 AM
There are some rumors going around that Cain Velasquez might be part of the Royal Rumble which, of course, has led to speculation that WWE will be doing Lesnar vs. Velasquez at WrestleMania.

To me, this is the worst case scenario because Cain Velasquez sucks. The man needs to get himself into shape, he needs to focus on being properly trained if he wants to wrestle in WWE and his bout with Lesnar at Crown Jewel was one of the worst of 2019. It's easy to see, however, that Vince could go down this path because this will generate all kinds of mainstream media coverage and Vince will sacrifice quality for flash any ol' day of the week and twice on Sunday, especially for the biggest show of the year.

Too often, Vince equates flash and pomp along with how much attention WWE gets with quality instead of putting on high quality wrestling matches and it's part of what's led to a revival of the indie scene, the rising fortunes of New Japan and the formation of All Elite Wrestling. In the case of Lesnar vs. Velasquez, it's another example of courting headlines rather than paying attention to fan interests and likes. After all, I wonder how many on the WWE roster, in all of wrestling period for that matter, would consider it one giant pecker slap to both cheeks to see Cain Velasquez win the WWE Championship in what would probably be only his 4th, maybe 5th match? I assume he'd wrestle at least 2 or 3 times between the end of the Rumble and WrestleMania.

Y 2 Jake
01-19-2020, 06:38 AM
I think McIntyre comes in at 2 and eliminates Lesnar swiftly, with Brock coming back later to aid in Drew getting taken out.

I still can't look past Reigns winning. Two victories in one night seems like WWE's lazy way of preparing him for it.

Storm Trooper
01-22-2020, 09:32 AM
So in all seriousness, this may be the first Rumble in the 2-Title Era where both #1 contenders are decided in this match.

Of course the winner gets a title match, but whoever eliminates Lesnar will also receive a title match, by way of beating Lesnar. While I wouldn't mind seeing my above post come to fruition, that's mainly my being a fan and wanting to see something happen with him.

Realistically, 3 options that I want to eliminate Lesnar, and beat him at Mania.

Aleister Black: I will say this every year until it happens. Black needs to wrestle Lesnar at Mania, and beat him with one Black Mass in 10 seconds. Literally he becomes the most dangerous superstar in years just like that.
Drew McIntyre: It's time for Drew to get his title match. He was a Future Worlds Champion 10 years ago, and is more over now that he ever was.
Keith Lee: This match at Mania needs to be competitive, so that Lee can bump for Lesnar, then Lee can do all his ridiculous stuff before being rocketstrapped to the top. An NXT guy winning the rumble continues the equalization of the 3 brands.


Naturally they will lose the Royal Rumble though, allowing someone else to win and challenge The Fiend.

Big E: If The Field changes people during their feud, the most difficult group to change is The New Day. Kofi had his WELL DESERVED moment last year. Now Big E gets his chance to shine.
Randy Orton: He joins Stone Cold in the 3-time winners club. He then goes on to wrestle Bray Wyatt at Mania again, this time without Maggots on the ring.



2 more out there options I like for winning the Rumble.

Tommaso Ciampa: he wins the Rumble, and announces that he will face Adam Cole for the NXT Championship, at WRESTLEMANIA (not Takeover). What better way to make everyone recognize that NXT is on-par than to have someone choose the NXT title over the WWE or Universal Championship.
Brock Lesnar: Everyone assumes Lesnar will lose. If he wins, then the storyline becomes will he wrestle at Mania, which would lead to Heyman pressuring him (obviously Lesnar would be motivated to perform at Mania because it's the 3rd biggest payday of the year). Then you get another month of weekly TV to determine who wrestles (and ultimately beats) Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania.




So, that's what I WANT to see happen at the Rumble. What WILL happen? I could see Drew eliminate Lesnar, and then Roman winning (which doesn't upset me in the slightest).

BestSportsEntertainer
01-22-2020, 08:35 PM
Big E is my top choice for winner. He has potential to be face of the company, and while New Day has been one of the top tag team of the last 5 years, it's time for a singles run. They could stay together like they did last year with Kofi and split later. A lot of people are saying Drew, but for me Big E is everything people think Drew is and more.