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FunKay
04-02-2018, 02:48 PM
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Oh lord are we there yet?

WrestleMania 34 looks like a stacked card that's had, frankly, one of the weirder builds of modern times:


Attempting to get the (at best) divisive 'Big Dog' and anointed face of the company cheered by having him get murdered at every turn by a special attraction, fighting machine champion? Check.
Having a rusty aging hero and a green all conqueror pair up to take on two executives who are self-aware but still clearly believe and buy into their own hype? Check.
Making two cool, though clearly under performing, babyfaces seem like total idiots by a cunning though now widely adored villain? Check.
Turning a bully monster into a bullied monster? Check.
Putting the hottest act on the card into a fun (though middling) tag team championship programme that makes the entire division look weak by comparison? Check.
And then there's the Undertaker vs. John Cena 'feud'...

Where do we even begin with that last one? For weeks Cena has blathered on and on about not having a spot at WrestleMania, in spite of the fact he's John bloody Cena and resorted, after failing to get into either WWE or Universal Championship matches, to calling out a supposedly retired Undertaker. He's called him a coward, a self-centred, ego-maniacal son of a bitch and last week resorted to stealing moves and mannerisms from 'The Phenom' during (and after) his match with 'Taker's brother, Kane. Tonight is the final chance for the 'Deadman' to rise once more and accept a match we all know is taking place. The real question of course is under what circumstances does this one take place? Is it a gimmick match? Which Undertaker shows up? Will he show up tonight or just at Mania? Can John Cena stop making ridiculous faces and cutting daft promos? We'll find out tonight as RAW sends its side of the card home to WrassleMania 34!

Yaz
04-02-2018, 03:16 PM
Remember when Cena cut that promo during the Cena/Roman feud where Cena shit on Undertaker calling him old and washed up with a busted hip and how Roman beating him meant nothing? Fun times.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 04:25 PM
Coulda been worse. Coulda been gay jokes.

In fact, it was once gay jokes.


https://youtu.be/tDcNVDNSQNc

Dave
04-02-2018, 04:53 PM
Taker's time is up, Cena's time is now. You can't see him... His time is now!

I wanted to stay stay awake to watch this but the clocks went forward last week and I'm too tired. That said, I'm about as excited as I should be right now. The WWE had a shaky start to this build but they've did an okay job. They've crammed as many talents onto the card as they can. Tonight should go off without hitch and I'm looking forward to seeing Taker again. Maybe.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 05:05 PM
Am I the only one really digging this Cena/Undertaker storyline?

Granted, that's predicated on whether or not they actually turn Cena heel and have him retire Taker. If not, it's gonna be pretty mediocre storyline wise (still think the match itself will be fine)

Spidey
04-02-2018, 05:29 PM
Am I the only one really digging this Cena/Undertaker storyline?

Granted, that's predicated on whether or not they actually turn Cena heel and have him retire Taker. If not, it's gonna be pretty mediocre storyline wise (still think the match itself will be fine)

Yeah I agree with you on the fight itself. I don't think it'll be as bad as many of us think. And I kinda like not seeing Undertaker all this time. If he shows up tonight, it'll get loud and I think that's what WWE's gunning for. Something sweet to put in video packages to hype up future Wrestlemanias.

Also, nice Fritz avatar. Love Ralph Bakshi.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 05:40 PM
Yeah I agree with you on the fight itself. I don't think it'll be as bad as many of us think. And I kinda like not seeing Undertaker all this time. If he shows up tonight, it'll get loud and I think that's what WWE's gunning for. Something sweet to put in video packages to hype up future Wrestlemanias.

Also, nice Fritz avatar. Love Ralph Bakshi.

I think it's a perfect storm for a Cena heel turn. I think the number one issue with the WWE now is that they play too safe, and for as much flak as people like Russo get (most of the time it's justified to be fair), a real major swerve once in a while would really benefit the industry. If Cena or Taker win without much of a hitch, nobody is really going to care a week after it happens, it'll just be "Oh, at this Wrestlemania, Cena and Undertaker fought, and they had a decent match."

And yeah, Bakshi's awesome. I've been on a 70's binge recently, but Fritz has always been one of my personal favourites. I like to call it "Furry Heavy Metal."

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 05:54 PM
Undertaker comes out at the top of RAW
John Cena comes out second.
CENA: I've been calling you out for weeks.
UNDERTAKER: Have you? I couldn't see you.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 05:58 PM
Remember when Cena cut that promo during the Cena/Roman feud where Cena shit on Undertaker calling him old and washed up with a busted hip and how Roman beating him meant nothing? Fun times.

Didn't until Shin shared it in the meme thread. It's like Cena is making fun of himself but he's too good for us to notice.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:01 PM
Say what you will about Steph, but those pants.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:02 PM
Unless we get ABA Or Big Evil Taker, I don’t care to see him.

GuyCompton
04-02-2018, 06:03 PM
ON YOUR KNEES DOUG

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:03 PM
Praying we don't see Dull Biker. Be a waste of a spectacle.

SD619
04-02-2018, 06:05 PM
Other than Flair (and now Angle), has any other Hall of Famer had a match at WM post-induction?

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:05 PM
Unless we get ABA Or Big Evil Taker, I don’t care to see him.

Mid-life crisis Taker? Might have worked if he was on a full-time basis.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:06 PM
Other than Flair (and now Angle), has any other Hall of Famer had a match at WM post-induction?

Pretty sure a couple of people in the WM17 Gimmick Battle Royale were in the HoF. Though I could be wrong on that.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:08 PM
Mid-life crisis Taker? Might have worked if he was on a full-time basis.

Spooky Taker was retired last year. Coming back as that character shits all over last yearâ??s mania.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 06:08 PM
Mid-life crisis Taker? Might have worked if he was on a full-time basis.

I'm in for Cena vs Mark McCool.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:10 PM
Spooky Taker was retired last year. Coming back as that character shits all over last year’s mania.

I get the argument about the WM33 Taker sendoff, but I saw that more as a vulnerable moment than a career-ending moment myself. I think this match benefits Cena far more than Taker at this point.

TheManTheyCalledNorCal
04-02-2018, 06:11 PM
Rouseys charisma is beyond electric

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:11 PM
I get the argument about the WM33 Taker sendoff, but I saw that more as a vulnerable moment than a career-ending moment myself. I think this match benefits Cena far more than Taker at this point.

As it should.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 06:11 PM
If Foley had never been "fired" this segment would be kind of adorable.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 06:12 PM
HHH needs to iron his forehead.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 06:13 PM
Stephanie has brought her Wrestlemania annoying this year.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:13 PM
Jesus Kurt's lines suck ass



And Ronda has nailed it here

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:14 PM
HHH has always been underrated on promos. I could easily see him fitting into the Vince McMahon role with some more edge to it once Vinnie steps down.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:14 PM
Stephanie has brought her Wrestlemania annoying this year.

Gotta get that shit in now because she’s totally tapping Sunday.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 06:14 PM
Say what you will about Steph, but those pants.

Yep. I was drooling over her last year at Wrestlemania.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 06:15 PM
Well. That line was great. Or could have been great I guess.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:16 PM
If Foley had never been "fired" this segment would be kind of adorable.

If by adorable you mean creepy as fuck, then you’re correct.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:17 PM
I love Coach being used as the comic foil commentator.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 06:18 PM
Can't have Stephanie get her just desserts without her doing some shit like that, I guess.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 06:19 PM
Can't have Stephanie get her just desserts without her doing some shit like that, I guess.

I have no issue with this at all. All that matters is how loudly the bone snapping is on Sunday.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:20 PM
I actually think the Angle/HHH segments of the match will be much more entertaining than either Rousey kicking the shit out of Steph, or Steph getting ridiculously unrealistic amounts of offence. I'd like the Angle/HHH element of the feud to continue post-WM.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:20 PM
I love Coach being used as the comic foil commentator.

I mean, his first run was basically him being cannon fodder for Rock’s insults. It’s what he does best.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:20 PM
Steph better sell a cast until next year's Wrestlemania.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 06:20 PM
I have no issue with this at all. All that matters is how loudly the bone snapping is on Sunday.

Oh I'm not complaining, I'm just not surprised Steph and HHH ended up standing tall here is all.

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 06:21 PM
"This is how we do things in WWE" So you put your employees through tables?

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:22 PM
"This is how we do things in WWE" So you put your employees through tables?

Beats being future endeavoured.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 06:24 PM
Omg is it made of plastic? That looks horrible.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:24 PM
Most unfortunate design for a specific trophy ever.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:26 PM
Sonya looks so much better without all that makeup.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 06:27 PM
I feel like Vince designed that trophy out of spite for everyone who protested the Moolah name.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:29 PM
I feel like Vince designed that trophy out of spite for everyone who protested the Moolah name.

More likely, they designed it after Moolah, then realised the (rightful) outrage would not allow it, which means they had to go basic.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 06:31 PM
Made of recycled plastic.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:31 PM
I'd like to pretend the uterus shape was unintentional.

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 06:31 PM
I'd pay money to see Paige rubbing off on Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 06:33 PM
I'd pay money to see Paige rubbing off on Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose.

Do you have a thing for trashy British broads?

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:33 PM
I'd pay money to see Paige rubbing off on Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose.

For a moment, I thought that was some bluntly honest, but disgusting fantasy.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 06:35 PM
Does Absolution ever win? Great stable.

SD619
04-02-2018, 06:37 PM
"Wrestlemania momentum is on the line". WTF Cole

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:37 PM
Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I quite like roll-up/small package pin attempts for the simple fact that it can be an unpredictable means of finishing a match. A finisher constantly finishing a match can be very formulaic after a while.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 06:37 PM
Momentum™.

The Bearded One
04-02-2018, 06:38 PM
Arby's has the worst commercials.

SD619
04-02-2018, 06:40 PM
Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I quite like roll-up/small package pin attempts for the simple fact that it can be an unpredictable means of finishing a match. A finisher constantly finishing a match can be very formulaic after a while.

Looks like you are a big fan of Paul Smackage. Great taste...

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:40 PM
You know, if they don't have Reigns vs Lesnar main-event, this could be a sleeper-hit on Wrestlemania. Have it on maybe third from last, before Cena/Taker and the mixed tag match, and you could have a legendary brawl with both guys at their peak performance.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:41 PM
Arby's has the worst commercials.

Agreed. Except for that gyro commercial. That shit is HYPE.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:44 PM
So Wrestlemania is free...as long as you have your already free trial.

Come on WWE, even the dumbest wrestling fans aren't that stupid.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:45 PM
We'll miss Asuka when she leaves for sure.

SD619
04-02-2018, 06:46 PM
Amazing video...Made Asuka look great

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 06:46 PM
I don't hate country music or anything, but the WrestleMania theme this year doesn't fit at all.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:46 PM
I've said this before, but with the right booking, Ronda Rousey vs Asuka could not only main-event Summerslam, but be completely justified in main-eventing it over any other male or female feud.

The Bearded One
04-02-2018, 06:51 PM
That Monday Night Rollins shirt is so great.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 06:55 PM
Once Miz retires, I think he'd make a brilliant colour commentator.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 06:55 PM
Miz with this real life face convo

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:02 PM
"I've been pooped on, I've been peed on."

Presented without comment, Miz's words, not mine.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:03 PM
What is this nonsense pop up WWE commercial during a match? That was stupid.

SD619
04-02-2018, 07:07 PM
What is this nonsense pop up WWE commercial during a match? That was stupid.

Yeah, but I'd rather see a promo of AJ-Nakamura than 10 ads for fast food chains.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 07:09 PM
I hope we get real Dad-isms out of Miz. Bad jokes. A fannypack. Juiceboxes for Bo and Curtis.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:11 PM
"I've been pooped on, I've been peed on."

Presented without comment, Miz's words, not mine.

Would be great for r/nocontext.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:12 PM
I hope we get real Dad-isms out of Miz. Bad jokes. A fannypack. Juiceboxes for Bo and Curtis.

That would be great. New Balance walkers and khaki slacks too.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:13 PM
Would be great for r/nocontext.

I've been drinking. Reddit has no such excuse.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:14 PM
This triple threat on Sunday is going to rock.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 07:15 PM
Good match. Good commentary.

SD619
04-02-2018, 07:15 PM
Great match and amazing commentary by Miz...

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:16 PM
Heck of a match.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:17 PM
I like the avenue they've gone with for this match. Have Rollins and Balor pin each other in the build-up, and keep Miz away from the fighting. All three men have a chance, even if I lean towards Miz retaining.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:19 PM
Yeah...it really launched Mojo's career...

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:19 PM
That Cock Blockers movie looks absolutely horrible.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:21 PM
I like the avenue they've gone with for this match. Have Rollins and Balor pin each other in the build-up, and keep Miz away from the fighting. All three men have a chance, even if I lean towards Miz retaining.

Miz might as well retain, because if he were to lose without losing, the next logical step is up to face Roman, and I don’t see them putting Roman against somebody who will absolutely slaughter him on the mic so soon after him having to deal with Heyman.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:25 PM
Miz might as well retain, because if he were to lose without losing, the next logical step is up to face Roman, and I don’t see them putting Roman against somebody who will absolutely slaughter him on the mic so soon after him having to deal with Heyman.

I think they'll tread water with Reigns until Summerslam. Maybe bring back Joe to feud with Reigns, have Balor and Rollins feud with Reigns at separate times, and then pitch the Cena/Reigns rematch.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 07:25 PM
Lesnar vs Goldberg was my the most rewatchable match of last year, in my opinion. Length helped that, but it was a fun five minutes.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:28 PM
I think they'll tread water with Reigns until Summerslam. Maybe bring back Joe to feud with Reigns, have Balor and Rollins feud with Reigns at separate times, and then pitch the Cena/Reigns rematch.

Bobby Lashley gonna be in there somewhere too, and I suspect Brock re-signs too.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:28 PM
"The main event stays intact" so Roman is main eventing ANOTHER Wrestlemania, sigh.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 07:29 PM
"Don't say mean things, please."

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:30 PM
Bobby Lashley gonna be in there somewhere too, and I suspect Brock re-signs too.

I'm not the biggest Lesnar fan, but I would legit mark out hard for Lesnar vs Lashley.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:31 PM
Man. That's a lot of wrestling this coming week end then the crazy post Mania Raw.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:32 PM
Angle being worried about Lesnar's wellbeing?

There's a good Shooting Star Press joke here, but I can't think of one.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:33 PM
I'm not the biggest Lesnar fan, but I would legit mark out hard for Lesnar vs Lashley.

That’s a rumored feud. Makes me wonder if maybe Brock retains.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 07:38 PM
I still say it's Big Show

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:39 PM
Please be Samoa Joe.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:39 PM
If his partner was just "These Hands", I'd be happy with that.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 07:39 PM
I've been saying Big Show forever as Braun's partner.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 07:40 PM
I'M FUCKIN DEEEEED

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 07:40 PM
Lol this is hilarious

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 07:40 PM
HA HA FREAKING HA! I GUESSED THIS!

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 07:40 PM
This is hilarious.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:41 PM
I still say it's Big Show

I think itâ??s more likely to be Cass.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:41 PM
Guess we really will find out on Sunday who it is.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 07:42 PM
Idk if it's just the stream I'm watching but it's like Raw is 60fps and it makes me feel funny.

Hilarious segment with Strowman though.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 07:43 PM
Goldust vs. Matt Hardy



This is what dreams are made of.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:44 PM
It's the sentimental part of me, but I want one more great Goldust run, akin to his IC title run in the 90's.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 07:44 PM
Battle Royale.
This isn't Fortnite, Matt.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:45 PM
Brains Strowman looked a little like a Dudley Boy

TheManTheyCalledNorCal
04-02-2018, 07:45 PM
And there it is. The first step from turning Braun from an apex killer to the lovable funny giant.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:47 PM
Back in the early 2000's, my cousins were massive Hardy marks. I showed them Matt Hardy today, and I think I managed to get them both back into the product single-handily.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:48 PM
And there it is. The first step from turning Braun from an apex killer to the lovable funny giant.

There's a happy medium in between me reckons. Don't neuter Braun so he becomes the Punjabi Playboy V2, but add enough to him where he can cultivate more of an audience.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:50 PM
And there it is. The first step from turning Braun from an apex killer to the lovable funny giant.

Should work, as Braun IRL is a goofy giant.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:51 PM
Cole shitting on the broken universe should lead to his DELETION from the commentary table.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:52 PM
Did they cheapen the Andre trophy too? Looks plastic too.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:53 PM
Cole shitting on the broken universe should lead to his DELETION from the commentary table.

I tend to think it might eventually go there. I remember reading somewhere that Cole will be moving into more of a back stage role in the next couple years.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 07:53 PM
Please let Matt win the Battle Royale just so Humongous Wonder Number Eight can join House Hardy.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 07:55 PM
I tend to think it might eventually go there. I remember reading somewhere that Cole will be moving into more of a back stage role in the next couple years.

That'd be wonderful (as Matt Hardy would say). I've never been a fan of his commentary.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 07:56 PM
I'm debating whether I'm drunk enough to mount a full-frontal defence of Michael Cole as a commentator in general.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 07:58 PM
I am so jacked for NXT. I've never been so excited. Cole putting double duty. That ladder match. The three way tag match. Black and Almas. MY god.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 07:59 PM
Magical things!

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 07:59 PM
I'm debating whether I'm drunk enough to mount a full-frontal defence of Michael Cole as a commentator in general.

I don’t hate Cole. I think he’s pretty good at his job.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:01 PM
I don’t hate Cole. I think he’s pretty good at his job.

Likewise. I don't know enough about the art of commentary to even fairly judge it. Cole doesn't bother me one bit.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:03 PM
....that's so stupid I don't know how to respond to it.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:03 PM
And there it is. The first step from turning Braun from an apex killer to the lovable funny giant.

Dude was playing a giant string bass a few weeks back. He's been on the path for some time now.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:03 PM
He's not upset, but he will go on about this for a while.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:04 PM
I am so jacked for NXT. I've never been so excited. Cole putting double duty. That ladder match. The three way tag match. Black and Almas. MY god.

Allow me to rub my ticket with some glee.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:04 PM
Allow me to rub my ticket with some glee.

Weird innuendo. lol

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:06 PM
Allow me to rub my ticket with some glee.

Don’t go blind.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:07 PM
That is a weak crowd.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:08 PM
I really do want to see those lights go out and hear that gong hit.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:09 PM
That is a weak crowd.

Or they just don't want to see the match.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:09 PM
Or they just don't want to see the match.

I mean, I don’t really to care about seeing it either.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:10 PM
They're going to set this up at freaking Wrestlemania aren't they?

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:11 PM
I mean, I don’t really to care about seeing it either.

I still stick with they would (will) blow the roof off the SuperDome. They can go into it as the two biggest professionals out there and neither has anything to lose or gain.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:11 PM
I mean, I don’t really to care about seeing it either.

Same. Last year was perfect and Undertaker is old and banged up. They had their chance last year and went with a Nikki Bella story instead. The time is gone.

The Bearded One
04-02-2018, 08:11 PM
Well that was a let down.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:11 PM
Well that was odd.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:13 PM
Meh still got some time on the clock. Surely they wouldn't carry this all the way to the event. That'd be stupid.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:13 PM
They're going to set this up at freaking Wrestlemania aren't they?

It's something different. I can't knock it one bit. Could they actually throw the graphic up that the PPV is over (like when Ciampa turned on Gargano), the lights go dark, you hear the gong, and Taker tells Cena to get his ass out there?

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:14 PM
I think WWE's plan for Cena-Undertaker has backfired, at this point I just don't care about Cena vs Undertaker at all. One of the least interesting matches at this point. If it has to happen just freaking announce it instead of acting like Undertaker is a coward.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:14 PM
I still stick with they would (will) blow the roof off the SuperDome. They can go into it as the two biggest professionals out there and neither has anything to lose or gain.

Itâ??s way too late. Should have happened last year or the year before.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:15 PM
Wha?


I don't understand.

I guess Cena and Undertaker will be watching as fans...

Fallout
04-02-2018, 08:16 PM
Same. Last year was perfect and Undertaker is old and banged up. They had their chance last year and went with a Nikki Bella story instead. The time is gone.

Not yet. You underestimate Taker's resolve. You underestimate Cena's ability to carry a match and run with the torch. I think this is one of those instances where we need to turn our smart fan indicators off, and go with the flow. I'll happily eat my words if this ends up being a dud after the post-Raw WM.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:17 PM
Cena goes to his car but Bikertaker blocks him in and attacks.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:18 PM
It’s way too late. Should have happened last year or the year before.

Respectfully disagree. They can go right out there and call it on the fly. Neither has to make sure the other one looks better. Neither has to make sure they're getting the other guy over. Nothing to lose. Would it have been better two years ago? Sure. But it didn't. They'll tear the house down. People can still go into the match with the emotion they know they're actually seeing Taker's last match. Adds to the whole story.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:19 PM
Not yet. You underestimate Taker's resolve. You underestimate Cena's ability to carry a match and run with the torch. I think this is one of those instances where we need to turn our smart fan indicators off, and go with the flow. I'll happily eat my words if this ends up being a dud after the post-Raw WM.

Yep. This x1000000000

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:20 PM
Nothing Paul says will hurt as much as that gold medal burn did.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:20 PM
I can't wait until The Rock interrupts Elias at Mania with his own guitar and Rock Concert.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:25 PM
Rhyno looks like a fat kid at a water park.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:25 PM
Not yet. You underestimate Taker's resolve. You underestimate Cena's ability to carry a match and run with the torch. I think this is one of those instances where we need to turn our smart fan indicators off, and go with the flow. I'll happily eat my words if this ends up being a dud after the post-Raw WM.

Nope. It's done and over. They had a chance and decided Total Divas needed a new plot. Screw that and them with it.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:25 PM
Rhyno looks like a fat kid at a water park.

Rhyno stole that look from me.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:26 PM
Rhyno stole that look from me.

Flashbacks to Sandcastle?

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:30 PM
I'd like this partner.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:30 PM
Yes! Lool

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:30 PM
Walls breaking always looks good.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 08:31 PM
Braun you're so goofy hahaha.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 08:31 PM
Nope. It's done and over. They had a chance and decided Total Divas needed a new plot. Screw that and them with it.

I know I'm giving the WWE perhaps more credit than they deserve, but this is the company that 4 years ago, ended the streak with Brock Lesnar of all people. This is a chance for Cena to establish himself anew, and really shake up the status quo that has been existent through out this particular era. I know you're pessimistic and ultimately more realistic about this than I am, but let's give the WWE the chance to roll the dice. As I said, if I'm wrong, I'll happily eat my words.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:32 PM
They really think we're dumb shits with this excessive WWE Network plugging, don't they?

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:32 PM
Well with Braun killing Hawkins I guess it'll have to be Joe or Cass to team with him for me to like the choice.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:32 PM
Can we please just make Braun throwing Curt Hawkins through things a weekly segment?

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:34 PM
Preach, Nia.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:34 PM
Alexa Bliss is going to body slam Jax for the Woman's version of Hogan slamming Andre the Giant.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:35 PM
Alexa Bliss is going to body slam Jax for the Woman's version of Hogan slamming Andre the Giant.

I’d mark.

Wildcat66
04-02-2018, 08:35 PM
Nia Jax just cut the promo of her career. I wanted her to win the championship before, but now I REALLY want to see her kick Alexa's ass. That's how good it was.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:36 PM
Why are they going to give Bliss another loss on the way to Mania?

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:36 PM
Flashbacks to Sandcastle?

That speed slide fucks with your swim trunks BIG TIME. You come out the bottom with your scrotum folded over your head.

supermatto64
04-02-2018, 08:37 PM
Dana and Asuka? Lol what

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:39 PM
Well with Braun killing Hawkins I guess it'll have to be Joe or Cass to team with him for me to like the choice.

I'm still saying Big Show. A returning Cass needs his own moment. Braun winning a title would automatically overshadow Cass's return. It has to be a big dude where being inserted into the match isn't a massive huge deal. Like Big Show returning for a 9th time.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:40 PM
I still want to see that show on the Network of just Dana Brooke doing squats.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:41 PM
We need a dislike button.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:42 PM
I'm still saying Big Show. A returning Cass needs his own moment. Braun winning a title would automatically overshadow Cass's return. It has to be a big dude where being inserted into the match isn't a massive huge deal. Like Big Show returning for a 9th time.

That's why my preference is Joe. Besides the fact that those 2 would make a really fun hoss team if he's cleared. Don't really have any interest in Show being the partner.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 08:42 PM
I know I'm giving the WWE perhaps more credit than they deserve, but this is the company that 4 years ago, ended the streak with Brock Lesnar of all people. This is a chance for Cena to establish himself anew, and really shake up the status quo that has been existent through out this particular era. I know you're pessimistic and ultimately more realistic about this than I am, but let's give the WWE the chance to roll the dice. As I said, if I'm wrong, I'll happily eat my words.

I gave them the chance and got a marriage proposal and Al Roker.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:44 PM
That's why my preference is Joe. Besides the fact that those 2 would make a really fun hoss team if he's cleared. Don't really have any interest in Show being the partner.

Show's slimmer. He can hold a title before he hangs it up. They're a big hoss team. Defend the titles at every ppv. Show can take the pins when they hand the titles over to AoP at SummerSlam. You have a 3-4 month program set up right there.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:44 PM
Brooke is really close to falling out there.

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 08:45 PM
That speed slide fucks with your swim trunks BIG TIME. You come out the bottom with your scrotum folded over your head.

The best part of the speed slide is when you’re on the lazy river watching all the people get off of the slide attempting to dig their trunks out of their ass crack. The second best part is being able to do that while sipping on an adult beverage.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 08:47 PM
Show's slimmer. He can hold a title before he hangs it up. They're a big hoss team. Defend the titles at every ppv. Show can take the pins when they hand the titles over to AoP at SummerSlam. You have a 3-4 month program set up right there.

I'd also prefer AOP be the ones to beat Harper and Rowan down the road, but I see your point. It's not bad idea to put Show with him I just prefer Joe.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:47 PM
The best part of the speed slide is when you’re on the lazy river watching all the people get off of the slide attempting to dig their trunks out of their ass crack. The second best part is being able to do that while sipping on an adult beverage.

It's a beautiful thing.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:47 PM
I'd also prefer AOP be the ones to beat Harper and Rowan down the road, but I see your point. It's not bad idea to put Show with him I just prefer Joe.

Joe would work as well. I just wasn't sure he was 100% yet.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:49 PM
Brooke is really close to falling out there.

*makes note to not delete Raw from DVR"

Fallout
04-02-2018, 08:50 PM
I gave them the chance and got a marriage proposal and Al Roker.

Yes, because they'll hit everything of the park at one Wrestlemania event :eyeroll:

Have some patience.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 08:53 PM
Shit, that avalanche would make Bundy blush.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 08:54 PM
PLEASE DON'T HURT ROMAN'S FEELINGS

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 08:55 PM
Yes, because they'll hit everything of the park at one Wrestlemania event :eyeroll:

Have some patience.

Are you really trying to defend that mixed tag team match?

Fallout
04-02-2018, 08:56 PM
I love how Angle is caught between his HHH/Stephanie feud and being the bumbling, generally incompetent, but ultimately caring Raw GM.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 08:57 PM
Are you really trying to defend that mixed tag team match?

The WM33 tag match for what it was, was fine. I'm talking about what should be built up from that.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 08:59 PM
Are you really trying to defend that mixed tag team match?

The sad part was it was exactly like the build to the Miz/Cena match from 7-8 years ago. Not the Wrestlemania one but the one during the summer a year or so prior. The build was fantastic. Miz calling out Cena constantly. Cena not responding so Miz counted them as wins because Cena was away filming a movie or something. Then he whipped Miz at like a June ppv in 6-7 minutes.

The build to the mixed tag was fantastic. Those vignettes from Miz and Maryse were gold.

smarkmouth
04-02-2018, 08:59 PM
"I'll get you next time, Gadget. NEXT TIME!"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ04RwTX4AA5Yhh?format=jpg

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 09:02 PM
Brock looks extra pale tonight.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:02 PM
Heyman really is just like a more effeminate Miss Trunchbull.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:03 PM
Yes, because they'll hit everything of the park at one Wrestlemania event :eyeroll:

Have some patience.

I have. This is dumb.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 09:05 PM
Good. Hopefully this is the last time Brock is on Raw ever.

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 09:05 PM
I wanna see a Network show of Brock Lesnar desperately trying to avoid slipping while running through a field of bananas.

Better than most shows on the Network.

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 09:07 PM
Super 15 person spear coming up.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:08 PM
I have. This is dumb.

I guess we'll take this to Wrestlemania. Cena vs Undertaker being groundbreaking against Cena vs Undertaker being average at best. Consider this our mini-feud to New Orelans =).

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:08 PM
I'll give them this: they haven't shoved Reigns down our throats this year. It's been a lot easier to sit through this time around.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:09 PM
I guess we'll take this to Wrestlemania. Cena vs Undertaker being groundbreaking against Cena vs Undertaker being average at best. Consider this our mini-feud to New Orelans =).

I don't really want to do that actually.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 09:10 PM
I'm glad the locker room took Roman's side. Also why did The Bar get stuck with the low card? Just to make them seem tougher?

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:10 PM
Now this has the potential to be Reigns' promo of a lifetime.

Spidey
04-02-2018, 09:10 PM
Roman chants.


Good God almighty.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:11 PM
I'm glad the locker room took Roman's side. Also why did The Bar get stuck with the low card? Just to make them seem tougher?

The only two who might slow Reigns down.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:11 PM
Roman chants.


Good God almighty.

Remember he played football at Georgia Tech. Local sports hero.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 09:12 PM
I hate how every time Brock has a rival ready to fight he runs like a bitch. If he's this badass they make him out to be stop having him run, or in this case need a weapon to fight Roman.

shafe_41
04-02-2018, 09:12 PM
Remember he played football at Georgia Tech. Local sports hero.

Nobody is a hero in Gerogia Tech football.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:13 PM
I don't really want to do that actually.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFNMhw9_VuU

Spidey
04-02-2018, 09:13 PM
PLEASE DON'T HURT ROMAN'S FEELINGS

DONE HURT HIS FEELINGS FUCK HIM UP

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 09:14 PM
Nobody is a hero in Gerogia Tech football.

Calvin Johnson was tremendous, though I wouldn't call him a hero

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:14 PM
Dang it I wanted the thumb wrestling sequel to the tug of war.

BestSportsEntertainer
04-02-2018, 09:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFNMhw9_VuU

You just sold me on the feud. Come on KB, make it happen

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 09:15 PM
Post Raw, Undertaker attacks Cena on Twitter?

BaconBits
04-02-2018, 09:17 PM
Post Raw, Undertaker attacks Cena on Twitter?

Nah, he’ll just have his wife post a picture of potato salad on her Instagram.

Skairipa
04-02-2018, 09:17 PM
Well tonight got me more excited for Nia vs Bliss, other than that meh. Just annoyed that they didn't have Undertaker show up tonight. Maybe they want it to be a surprise when Kid Rock sings him to the ring for his American Badass entrance?

Jeff Deliverer of Mail
04-02-2018, 09:19 PM
Id rather Undertaker interrupts a Kid Rock song and chokeslams him through the drums.

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:19 PM
Pretty good show overall. Did exactly what it needed to do, but I would have liked to see more hype between Cena and Taker. Maybe if it main-events perhaps?

Spidey
04-02-2018, 09:20 PM
I think you're putting all your chips on a number that ain't there, Fallout.

klunderbunker
04-02-2018, 09:27 PM
Review is up.

Why Reigns Isn't So Bad This Year (http://kbwrestlingreviews.com/2018/04/02/monday-night-raw-april-2-2018-why-reigns-isnt-so-bad-this-year/)

Fallout
04-02-2018, 09:27 PM
I think you're putting all your chips on a number that ain't there, Fallout.

Oh, I understand I'm going balls to the wall, but I really think WWE want to try and make something really instrumental and ground-breaking with this one. But I am happy to be proven wrong.