Raw - 12/10/18

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I don't know what to expect tonight

[Skairipa]

Why'd they ruin a good thing with Rollins's music? It didn't need burn it down in it so many times.

[BaconBits]

I expect much of the sane as the last few weeks tonight.

[Spidercanrana]

Oh sweet an in-ring heart-to-heart to open the show. This is new.

[BaconBits]

Oh, so Seth is pandering to smarks. Fun fun fun.

[Skairipa]

This feels like the beginnings of set up for Rollins-Lesnar, and I could very much get behind Rollins being the one to beat him.

Edit: There we have it.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

This feels like the beginnings of set up for Rollins-Lesnar, and I could very much get behind Rollins being the one to beat him.

Edit: There we have it.

Rollins vs Lesnar should main event WrestleMania, or Ronda vs Becky

[Spidercanrana]

Member when WCW caught hell for doing shit like this?

[BaconBits]

Member when WCW caught hell for doing shit like this?

At least WCW did it with genuine stars.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I love Rollins, but he's not very good at face promos

[BaconBits]

Acting like a five year old isn’t a good look for any face.

[klunderbunker]

Member when WCW caught hell for doing shit like this?

Two completely different things.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

We're watching a show where they literally tell you how bad it is :lmao:

[BaconBits]

We're watching a show where they literally tell you how bad it is :lmao:

A show without any genuine starpower is going to have itâ??s issues.

[Spidercanrana]

It's canon now that Corbin ordered Drake to piss on Roode's robe.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Gable and Roode should be called the Robe Warriors

[Skairipa]

Sure let's ruin the months of build up we've been doing with AOP for the sake of giving ANOTHER thrown together team the belts, sigh.

[shafe_41]

Saw that coming a mile away.

[OYDK]

And one wonders why there are no stars nowadays...

[shafe_41]

Jesus now Balor is out for some time due to injury? Is Ziggler really your 3rd biggest face on Raw right now behind Elias and Rollins?

[BaconBits]

And one wonders why there are no stars nowadays...

No booking in the world is gonna fix the lack of natural charisma.

[OYDK]

No booking in the world is gonna fix the lack of natural charisma.

You say this a lot, but it's a cop-out argument for the garbage booking. Are you really telling me that there are like, 3 people on the entire roster that have charisma?

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Is Ziggler really your 3rd biggest face on Raw right now behind Elias and Rollins?

This is not a good look at all.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

They really shouldn't have went in this direction

[klunderbunker]

This is not a good look at all.

Especially when he's not really even a face. He's a heel who got beaten up by another heel.

[BaconBits]

You say this a lot, but it's a cop-out argument for the garbage booking. Are you really telling me that there are like, 3 people on the entire roster that have charisma?

Legit charisma that will actually draw people in? There are two guys on the roster that have it and theyâ??re never around.

[Skairipa]

Ruby needs the win badly on Sunday.


Legit charisma that will actually draw people in? There are two guys on the roster that have it and theyâ??re never around.

That's very wrong.

[Spidercanrana]

Better get Natalya off the mic before they throw her ass into an obligatory Q&A next week.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Ruby needs the win badly on Sunday.

She really does, but that isn't happening with this story

[BaconBits]

Nattie has been around forever and she still sucks at acting.

[shafe_41]

There's few things more painful than hearing Nattie on a mic.

Also... if I could remove that chest tattoo, Ruby is kinda hot.

[BaconBits]

That's very wrong.

The ratings say otherwise.

[OYDK]

Legit charisma that will actually draw people in? There are two guys on the roster that have it and they’re never around.

See, I can't buy that argument. It's hard to show off charisma when your words are written for you. Is it a coincidence that the two guys you're talking about (I'm assuming it's Cena and Brock?) are the ones who have pretty much complete creative freedom?

[BestSportsEntertainer]

This is low, even for WWE

[smarkmouth]

Revival is more likely to beat Gablourious than AoP. I'm okay with our new champs.

[Spidercanrana]

A reminder around this time last Tuesday, Bryan was removing the YES plates from his belt and proving Miz right after eight or so years.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Another match? They're not even trying

[Skairipa]

She really does, but that isn't happening with this story

Oh I know, but I can hope.


The ratings say otherwise.

The ratings have a lot more to do with shit booking than they do anything else, and have nothing at all to do with who has charisma and who doesn't.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

The ratings have a lot more to do with shit booking than they do anything else, and have nothing at all to do with who has charisma and who doesn't.

There's 72 wrestlers on Raw and Smackdown. It's honestly ridiculous to say that only 2 of those wrestlers have actual charisma.

[smarkmouth]

I will never know the joie de vivre that referee Derrick Moore experiences.

[BaconBits]

See, I can't buy that argument. It's hard to show off charisma when your words are written for you. Is it a coincidence that the two guys you're talking about (I'm assuming it's Cena and Brock?) are the ones who have pretty much complete creative freedom?


Charisma is way, way more than promos and some creative freedom. Every generation of wrestling has had its fair share of shit booking and guys that still managed to transcend the entity of wrestling, except this one. They’re up shit’s creek with no paddle. The only guy on either roster that maybe has that ability is Elias, but he isn’t the focal point of the show yet.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Is this supposed to make us care about Ziggler? Because I still don't care about Ziggler at all, and I was one of his biggest fans for years

[smarkmouth]

Wait, Ziggler's a fucking babyface again? I'm actually surprised that any status quo has changed in the last few that I've missed.

[Skairipa]

Charisma is way, way more than promos and some creative freedom. Every generation of wrestling has had its fair share of shit booking and guys that still managed to transcend the entity of wrestling, except this one. Theyâ??re up shitâ??s creek with no paddle. The only guy on either roster that maybe has that ability is Elias, but he isnâ??t the focal point of the show yet.

McIntyre, Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Charlotte, Styles, Bryan, Becky Lynch, Alexa Bliss, Miz just off the top of my head are people you're trying to say have no charisma? That's hilarious. There's plenty more too.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Just what we tuned in for, a Q&A session

[smarkmouth]

Money on Slater reffing Rollins vs Corbin?

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Money on Slater reffing Rollins vs Corbin?

In a TLC match, no less. That's a sentence I never thought I'd hear.

[Skairipa]

Money on Slater reffing Rollins vs Corbin?

Seems like a good bet. If it was a normal match I figured he would help Rollins win after a bump on the first ref.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Especially when he's not really even a face. He's a heel who got beaten up by another heel.

That, and the fact I don't like him.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Unsurprisingly, Alicia has been the best part of Raw so far

[OYDK]

Charisma is way, way more than promos and some creative freedom. Every generation of wrestling has had its fair share of shit booking and guys that still managed to transcend the entity of wrestling, except this one. They’re up shit’s creek with no paddle. The only guy on either roster that maybe has that ability is Elias, but he isn’t the focal point of the show yet.

I don't know, I can understand the mindset I guess. People like The Rock, Austin, Taker, Hogan, Savage, etc. were going to succeed to some degree regardless. But they rarely had to deal with the type of inconsistent and, at times, downright criminal booking that this era's roster has to deal with. And when they did, they kind of sucked.

I'm just saying, this era has nowhere near the opportunity to succeed as past eras had. And I mean NOWHERE near.

[Spidercanrana]

Lol they underminded the reward for winning the MMC.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Holy crap, I totally forgot this is RAW's go-home show for TLC.

[Skairipa]

How many teams in the MMC have had replacement partners? It has to be more than half.

[smarkmouth]

In a TLC match, no less. That's a sentence I never thought I'd hear.

Who let Universe mode simulate for a year in 2k19?

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Man, MNF is better than this show, and that game sucks.

[Spidercanrana]

If Roman kicks the bucket maybe Dean can come out with a table that bears his likeness. What heat.

[shafe_41]

Who let Universe mode simulate for a year in 2k19?

2K19 Universe mode is more fucking clown shoes than Raw has been the last two weeks. And that's saying something.

[smarkmouth]

I'll take your word for it. Someone's modding the No Mercy engine and that's the first wrasslin' vidja game I've been excited for in years.

[Skairipa]

2K19 Universe mode is more fucking clown shoes than Raw has been the last two weeks. And that's saying something.

Some of Ambrose's recent promos seem like something you'd see in the promo engine from 2k. If only he had busted out that legendary meat slurry line...

[shafe_41]

Some of Ambrose's recent promos seem like something you'd see in the promo engine from 2k. If only he had busted out that legendary meat slurry line...

I don't even know who Ambrose is. Is he a germaphobe? Is he Bane from Dark Knight Rises? Like who tf is he???

[Spidercanrana]

All I know is he isn't crazy like Seth.


...

...yeesh

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Face Elias doesn't really work

[shafe_41]

Face Elias doesn't really work

To be fair, there's really nothing on Monday Night Raw that works right now. Drew possibly. And strangely I have 100% faith in Heath Slater as a ref for some reason. That's about the extent of it.

[smarkmouth]

I still Lashley is still dressing like Batista.

Also, so much for my ref theory

[shafe_41]

Rush looks like Marcus from Bad Santa compared to Elias.

[Spidercanrana]

No child endangerment jokes? :(

[BaconBits]

Face Elias doesn't really work

He hasn’t even changed his shtick, just the targets.

[shafe_41]

No child endangerment jokes :(

Someone gonna call CYS on Elias for what he does to Rush.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

How is that not a disqualification?

[shafe_41]

How is that not a disqualification?

C'mon... you can't be asking basic questions about the WWE like that.

[BaconBits]

Weakest guitar shot in history.

[Spidercanrana]

Mic wizards incoming

[smarkmouth]

Imagine being Vince and kayfabing ratings problems on a particular talent. Sweet gig.

[shafe_41]

Raw should just be three hours of Alexa Bliss shooting people looks wearing whatever that thing is she's wearing right now.

[smarkmouth]

Slater the ref is already one of the most compelling angles on RAW. Hopefully there's a payoff and the writers just don't forget about it.

[shafe_41]

And I know we say it... well... weekly... but Nia Jax should never have a microphone. Ever.

[BaconBits]

Nia is right up there with the worst promos in history.

[shafe_41]

Slater the ref is already one of the most compelling angles on RAW. Hopefully there's a payoff and the writers just don't forget about it.

Slater has been a ref for one match and there's already sympathy on him as a face. Heath Slater is arguably the 4th biggest face on Raw at the moment.

[klunderbunker]

Egads this is really annoying. No one cares about Nia, and this isn't a match that people are interested in seeing, no matter how much WWE talksa bout it.

[Spidercanrana]

They managed to do something worse than a Rousey/Jax Q&A.

[Skairipa]

Egads this is really annoying. No one cares about Nia, and this isn't a match that people are interested in seeing, no matter how much WWE talksa bout it.

Just think, after Sunday Nia is probably going back to irrelevancy (besides you know, being called the favorite to win the rumble since HOW IS ANYBODY GOING TO ELIMINATE HER!?) and Ronda is going to begin moving onto bigger and better matches.

[klunderbunker]

No one cares about Tamina either. She's just old looking and terrible.

[Skairipa]

If it's not Becky, I'd love to see Ember win the Rumble. I still think they have something pretty good there if they'd just develop her character.

[shafe_41]

If it's not Becky, I'd love to see Ember win the Rumble. I still think they have something pretty good there if they'd just develop her character.

It will 1000% be Becky.

[Spidercanrana]

Or give her one at all :P

[smarkmouth]

develop her character.
Not in the Raw vocabulary.

[Spidercanrana]

He has a magnificent conehead.

[smarkmouth]

He has a magnificent conehead.

CANNOT UNSEE!

[smarkmouth]

Hope they put Lars in a triple threat against a RAW and Smackdown schmuck at TLC. Let him squish them both before he makes his decision.

[Spidercanrana]

These generic monster heel vignettes lead me to think TLC will witness a Funkasaurus with body hair.

[shafe_41]

Lars Sullivan could be a good monster heel if they let him. Nothing about him says "cool heel." He could actually be a heel the whole crowd boos nightly.

[BaconBits]

These generic monster heel vignettes lead me to think TLC will witness a Funkasaurus with body hair.

How hilarious would it be if they leaned into the reports about his internet trolling and just made him a huge real life troll.

[smarkmouth]

I heard the Stomp was banned again. He done it lately?

[klunderbunker]

This is the longest show I've ever seen. It feels like it's been going on for days.

[Spidercanrana]

Sooo

positives about this show so far...Heath Slater emotes pretty well. Dolph didn't win.

[Skairipa]

Sooo

positives about this show so far...Heath Slater emotes pretty well. Dolph didn't win.

They didn't job Ember out to Tamina?

[Spidercanrana]

They didn't job Ember out to Tamina?

I'll give you that one, but I'm still struggling to know what's so great about Ember.

[Skairipa]

Another positive, we didn't have a Lucha House Rules Match tonight.

Oh god Corbin is getting the damn belt, and they wonder why Raw sucks.

[Skairipa]

Well thank god they didn't give it to Corbin, I really thought they were going to.

[Spidercanrana]

Well that's enough TLC for me.

[klunderbunker]

Monday Night Raw
Date: December 10, 2018
Location: Valley View Casino Center, San Diego, California
Commentators: Michael Cole, Corey Graves, Renee Young

We’re at the go home show for TLC and the question now becomes how bad can things actually get. Tonight is likely going to be focused on the final push towards the bigger matches, even if there isn’t any interest in those bigger matches. In other words, expect another Baron Corbin night as he has to hammer in his power before possibly losing it on Sunday. Let’s get to it.

Click on the link below for the full review.

Corbin Course Correction (http://kbwrestlingreviews.com/2018/12/10/monday-night-raw-december-10-2018-corbin-course-correction/)

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Guys, I still like Authority Figures.

[DNA 2.0]

I guess the brand split was fun while it lasted. They can't really hope to last another year like this. Just vacate the Universal Championship and have an angle where Brock demands to be viewed as a world champion and WWE is like "oops, we forgot you even exist. I guess it's champion vs champion now".