TLC

[Yer Maw]

Murphy v Alexander was great, as expected.

[Yer Maw]

That was probably the most boring ladder match ever

[shafe_41]

More Carmella plz.

[Jack-Hammer]

The MMC finals isn't exactly a riveting opening match for the main card. I hope this is the last time they do this because nobody really cares about it and they've let it cross over onto Raw, providing a waste of time. When it was just going down on Facebook the first time around, I was okay with it but I can't make myself care about it at all. The two teams who're finalists automatically render the prize of coming in at #30 in the men's and women's RR matches pretty useless. Jinder Mahal is back to being the jobber he should have always been and Alicia Fox is still at the level she's been since day one while R-Truth is a comedy mid-card jobber and that's basically where Carmella is now. She's a smokin' hot comedy mid-card jobber, but nobody seriously wants to see any of these four remotely anywhere near a title picture for WrestleMania.

[smarkmouth]

Truth & Carmella vs Jinder and Fox fighting for vacations and #30 Rumble spots is the most pretend consequences I've ever heard.

[Jack-Hammer]

I can't wait until Fox forces SmackDown to stop all this cornball comedy nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I like comedy when it's funny but I just for the life of me don't understand what Vince gets out of the "humor" we see on WWE programming 95% of the time.

[smarkmouth]

I can't wait until Fox forces SmackDown to stop all this cornball comedy nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I like comedy when it's funny but I just for the life of me don't understand what Vince gets out of the "humor" we see on WWE programming 95% of the time.
For a moment I thought you were hinting at a push for Alicia. I like that gimmick pitch.

[Jack-Hammer]

Truth & Carmella vs Jinder and Fox fighting for vacations and #30 Rumble spots is the most pretend consequences I've ever heard.

True. Though if I got to go on the vacation with Mella to some tropical paradise and spend the whole time rubbing suntan lotion all over her, I'd probably sacrifice my first born to Vince.

[BestSportsEntertainer]

R-Truth and Carmella vs Jinder Mahal and Alicia Fox doesn't even belong on Raw or Smackdown

[shafe_41]

Truth & Carmella vs Jinder and Fox fighting for vacations and #30 Rumble spots is the most pretend consequences I've ever heard.

Can the vacation thing turn into some kind of storyline? They make sure they mention it every single time they promote the MMC. Plus it's just so insanely random that it... has to tie into something right?

[shafe_41]

I'd watch Carmella stock shelves at a grocery store.

[BaconBits]

Hey there fellow wraslinâ?? fans, how are yous guys tonight?

[shafe_41]

Dear God....

[smarkmouth]

Can the vacation thing turn into some kind of storyline? They make sure they mention it every single time they promote the MMC. Plus it's just so insanely random that it... has to tie into something right?
Vignettes of Truth taking souvenir photos at WWE HQ and getting excited meeting Vince. Please.

[Yer Maw]

How is this not a ladder match?

[BestSportsEntertainer]

R-Truth now has more wins on PPV this year than Samoa Joe :shrug:

[smarkmouth]

R-Truth now has more wins on PPV this year than Samoa Joe :shrug:

I don't care if this post is accurate. Please delete it.

[Jack-Hammer]

How is this not a ladder match?

Because Vince would rather waste such an entertaining spectacle by hanging a guitar above the ring instead of a couple of championships that three teams would damn near kill each other over for our amusement.

[BaconBits]

I’m having some high octane beers while I watch tonight. I’m gonna try to enjoy this show for what it is. Being cynical sucks all of the joy out of wrestling.

For instance, I still highly enjoy Sheamus’ entrance music. Shit is badass.

[smarkmouth]

I’m having some high octane beers while I watch tonight. I’m gonna try to enjoy this show for what it is. Being cynical sucks all of the joy out of wrestling.

For instance, I still highly enjoy Sheamus’ entrance music. Shit is badass.

Honestly, there's enough to be excited for tonight.

[klunderbunker]

How is this not a ladder match?

No reason for it not to be.

[klunderbunker]

I’m having some high octane beers while I watch tonight. I’m gonna try to enjoy this show for what it is. Being cynical sucks all of the joy out of wrestling.

For instance, I still highly enjoy Sheamus’ entrance music. Shit is badass.

It's been on my iPod for years.

[BaconBits]

Twas a fun match.

[BaconBits]

Also, nice to see RAW will have some legit starpower tomorrow.

[shafe_41]

Interesting announcement by JoJo there. She didn't say "If Braun Strowman wins..."

She said "If Baron Corbin loses..."

[BaconBits]

Perhaps Corbin somehow loses this and that’s why Vince is showing up tomorrow.

[shafe_41]

Enter... Bray Wyatt as the replacement

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Perhaps Corbin somehow loses this and that’s why Vince is showing up tomorrow.

With the way the announcement was worded, it sounded like another shakeup

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Corbin has a grey beard.

[shafe_41]

Jesus Christ Finn really wound up and delivered a shot there.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

TLC > MITB

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

So is this like, not a match anymore or?

Ah, i see.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Ok, no more Authority Figures now.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

At least they did the right thing and killed this off.

[BaconBits]

Best way to do that. Gets a few guys a PPV check who wouldn’t have otherwise got one.

[Jack-Hammer]

Ok, no more Authority Figures now.

I could do without seeing another heel authority figure on WWE TV for years to come.

[smarkmouth]

Can that same lineup plus the rest of the roster do that to Brock at Rumble?

[shafe_41]

Good way to end that part of the story but would have enjoyed seeing Bray come back to be the only guy to help Braun out.

[Jack-Hammer]

Black Manta looks kinda goofy. I dunno, the big helmet and the eyes makes him almost come off as cuddly rather than intimidating.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I actually want to see Aquaman.

[Jack-Hammer]

Now that she's no longer as pallid as a corpse, Ruby Riott looks kinda hot. Not a huge fan of so many tattoos, but she's still kinda hot.

[BaconBits]

Good way to end that part of the story but would have enjoyed seeing Bray come back to be the only guy to help Braun out.

Iâ??m convinced theyâ??re just waiting on big red to heal and bring the OG Wyatts back. Itâ??d be best for everybody involved.

[klunderbunker]

That was all they could do with the situation they had and it was the right way to kill off Evil Corbin. The problem is it doesn't validate the time they spent building it up at the expense of everything else.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Speaking of angles that need to go away and i wish i could men in black memory whipe off my brain

[Jack-Hammer]

It's true, the Riott Squad are just mean. They're the meanest kids on the Disney Channel. Recognize and respect!

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Natty is hot, especially in person. No lie folks.

[shafe_41]

Ruby's hot

[klunderbunker]

Speaking of angles that need to go away and i wish i could men in black memory whipe off my brain

No reason for this to be on the pay per view. The tables match could have been anything else.

[klunderbunker]

Natty is hot, especially in person. No lie folks.

Oh I'd believe it. Just horrible at emotions or talking.

[shafe_41]

Liv the real MVP so far tonight

[smarkmouth]

Yo, hell of a bump by Liv. I don't get why the squad isn't outright interfering in this no dq match, though.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Oh I'd believe it. Just horrible at emotions or talking.

Agreed sir.

[BaconBits]

Liv took that table bump like a champ.

[klunderbunker]

So Ruby Riott, who has a great look, talking abilities, experience and a pair of lackeys, can't get near the Women's Title picture but Nia Jax and Tamina can?

[shafe_41]

Natty is hot, especially in person. No lie folks.

They honestly don't have many women that aren't attractive in some way. Nia is attractive... just larger. I love me some Maria and Stacy Keiber as my all time favorites... but seeing Mandy Rose in person is life-changing. She is honestly the most flawless female I've ever seen.

[BaconBits]

So Ruby Riott, who has a great look, talking abilities, experience and a pair of lackeys, can't get near the Women's Title picture but Nia Jax and Tamina can?

Nia and by extension Tamina are almost assuredly taking the L tonight, and Ronda gonna need a new challenger.

[smarkmouth]

Referee Darrick Moore chronically being shocked will never not be one of my favourite things about the Women's division.

[klunderbunker]

They honestly don't have many women that aren't attractive in some way. Nia is attractive... just larger. I love me some Maria and Stacy Keiber as my all time favorites... but seeing Mandy Rose in person is life-changing. She is honestly the most flawless female I've ever seen.

At WrestleCon, I was walking by and got caught looking straight at Kelly Kelly posing for a picture with the model eyes on. I actually froze in place.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I wish my first round draft pick for Season 2 was on the card...Sasha Banks

[klunderbunker]

Nia and by extension Tamina are almost assuredly taking the L tonight, and Ronda gonna need a new challenger.

I don't see why we needed to see Nia again. Last time it was "Can Rousey get her int he armbar???" Yes, as she did it to HHH at Wrestlemania so it's not exactly a secret.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

At WrestleCon, I was walking by and got caught looking straight at Kelly Kelly posing for a picture with the model eyes on. I actually froze in place.

You have good eyes.

[BaconBits]

I don't see why we needed to see Nia again. Last time it was "Can Rousey get her int he armbar???" Yes, as she did it to HHH at Wrestlemania so it's not exactly a secret.

Just how it be sometimes.

[klunderbunker]

You have good eyes.

Actually she did.

Maria in person is on another planet. So is Emma/Tenille Dashwood.

[smarkmouth]

One of those tables is not sturdy, but in all fairness, it has an Anvil on it.

[shafe_41]

At WrestleCon, I was walking by and got caught looking straight at Kelly Kelly posing for a picture with the model eyes on. I actually froze in place.

She's one I never got the chance to see live. But she's a Top 5 as well.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Actually she did.

Maria in person is on another planet. So is Emma/Tenille Dashwood.

And Rhea Ripley.

[klunderbunker]

She's one I never got the chance to see live. But she's a Top 5 as well.

Christy, Maria, Rousey (not for the same reasons), Jackie Gayda and maybe Emma actually, though I'm forgetting a bunch.

[shafe_41]

That might be the best story Nattie has ever told. And that isn't saying a lot.

[Jack-Hammer]

It went on a little longer than it needed to, but I thought it was a genuinely good match overall.

[klunderbunker]

And Rhea Ripley.

Eh good but nothing great.

[shafe_41]

Christy, Maria, Rousey (not for the same reasons), Jackie Gayda and maybe Emma actually, though I'm forgetting a bunch.

Maria will always be my #1. Always.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Eh good but nothing great.

Much respect though.

[klunderbunker]

Maria will always be my #1. Always.

There are two women I've seen in person who took my breath away. One was Maria and I married the other.

[smarkmouth]

That whole match was product placement for WWE Tables™, now available on WWEShop™.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I don't mind McIntyre.

[shafe_41]

That whole match was product placement for WWE Tables™, now available on WWEShop™.

I would buy them if they were cheap. Just to put people through them.

[smarkmouth]

Rundown of current main heels;

Samoa Joe - Responsible drinking advocate.
Daniel Bryan - anti-consumerist environmentalist.
Drew McIntyre - Demanding work ethic out of the locker room.
Dean Ambrose - vaccinator.

Next time you call Canada "Bizarro World" when we cheer the heels please consider this.

[Yer Maw]

McIntyre just looks like a badass.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Damn, screw the Steelers.

[Wildcat66]

That match was really well-booked. Finn managed to barely eek out the win and Drew looked like a monster who saw his prey get away because of Dolph Ziggler.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

That was a cool move by Myaterio

[smarkmouth]

Graves stop being civil to Otunga please.

[BaconBits]

That was kinda fun.

[smarkmouth]

That was kinda fun.

Chairs matches have a pretty good batting average.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I still don't care about Ziggler

[Skairipa]

Please let Ronda win in about 5 seconds, please.

[Yer Maw]

What a match between 2 future stars! Glad the rookie Mysterio got the much needed win.

[smarkmouth]

Ziggler does a great Big Show impression.

[smarkmouth]

Please let Ronda win in about 5 seconds, please.
To be fair, Rousey/Jax 1 was pretty good.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Let's go Ronda!!

[Yer Maw]

Remember the boos for Jax at survivor series? Crickets now.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

If Tamina's last name wasn't "Snuka", she wouldn't be a WWE Superstar, right?........Right?

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Still super strange that rhonda rousey is a wwe wrestler

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Olympic medalists couldnt escape the armbar byt Stephanie Mcmahon and the rocks cousin can.

Cool, man

[Wildcat66]

TL;DR.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Off topic: I like Ronda's shoes. They're flashy.

[smarkmouth]

Where's The Man?

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Where's The Man?

Thinking the same thing.

[shafe_41]

Not surprised this match is as good as it is. They had a damn good match before too.

[shafe_41]

Thinking the same thing.

Becky? Why would she be out there? She's got her own title match headlining. They're not going to waste the pop of the crowd seeing Becky for the first time during a match that isn't even hers.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Oh, the most famous shoot fighter ever?

Lets have her JUMP OFF THE TOP ROPE TO THE OUTSIDE

literally might be the dumbest fucking thing ive ever seen in wrestling from a character psychology standpoint

[Yer Maw]

All of Rondas matches have been great

[smarkmouth]

Becky? Why would she be out there? She's got her own title match headlining. They're not going to waste the pop of the crowd seeing Becky for the first time during a match that isn't even hers.

Fair point, but Becky was referring to the show being dual-branded and that she has some receipts.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Ronda is fun to watch.

[Yer Maw]

Looking forward to this one. Please give them half an hour!

[smarkmouth]

Left to go; WWE Title, IC Title, SD Women's and Unive.... awww.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

When was the last time the WWE Championship was the last match on PPV?

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

WHAT IN THE WORLD

[#AbsoluteUnit]

GREAT NEWS! WM is 16 weeks away! Or rather, 112 days! YAY!

[smarkmouth]

When was the last time the WWE Championship was the last match on PPV?

When PPVs were single branded.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

When PPVs were single branded.

...

[Skairipa]

That was awesome. Might be the best main roster match this year.

[Yer Maw]

Why do I get the feeling Jax and Rousey are going to interfere in the triple threat?

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

What a great fucking match

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Why do I get the feeling Jax and Rousey are going to interfere in the triple threat?

Don't say that bruh!

[klunderbunker]

When was the last time the WWE Championship was the last match on PPV?

When a show had two titles: October 3, 2010, Hell in a Cell, Dallas, Texas with Kane retaining over Undertaker inside the Cell.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

When a show had two titles: October 3, 2010, Hell in a Cell, Dallas, Texas with Kane retaining over Undertaker inside the Cell.

Thank you, Mr. Wrestling encyclopedia!

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

They should have done more to repaint his theme than add a riot siren

[smarkmouth]

Why do I get the feeling Jax and Rousey are going to interfere in the triple threat?

Don't put that evil on us.

[klunderbunker]

Hey look: there's going to be an overrun.

[klunderbunker]

Thank you, Mr. Wrestling encyclopedia!

It's a boring job and somehow I get to do it.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

THIS ISNT A FUCKING LADDER MATCH?!

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Hey look: there's going to be an overrun.

Is there only one more match?

[klunderbunker]

Is there only one more match?

Show is scheduled to end at 10:30.

[klunderbunker]

THIS ISNT A FUCKING LADDER MATCH?!

Uh, do you see a guitar in this story?

[Undying]

I cant believe how flat this feud fell

Wait yes I can

[#AbsoluteUnit]

It's a boring job and somehow I get to do it.

No one is complaining though.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

This Renee - Graves interplay is like fucking nails on a chalk board.

[klunderbunker]

No one is complaining though.

I'd like to think not.


This Renee - Graves interplay is like fucking nails on a chalk board.

Yep. Similar to his stuff with Saxton most of the time.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I like how Renee is trying to defend Dean. :)

[Undying]

"If Rollins taps to the cloverleaf it's over"

Thanks for that Cole

[klunderbunker]

Two months ago, I really wouldn't have bet on this one being the match where I kept thinking GET ON WITH IT ALREADY.

[Undying]

I was chomping at the bit for this feud when Ambrose turned on Rollins.

Now I left to go make dinner in the middle of this match.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Two months ago, I really wouldn't have bet on this one being the match where I kept thinking GET ON WITH IT ALREADY.

Agreed. Remember earlier this year when Rollins was the hottest act in the WWE?

[Skairipa]

Give Dean the belt already and move onto the match everyone wants. This is a bit much.

[BaconBits]

Well that was a giant ball of meh.

[Skairipa]

Finally. Not a bad match but needed 5 minutes or so shaved off.

[Wildcat66]

Of all the matches this warranted a stipulation: This needed one the most.

Worst match I've seen these two have. Still okay, but I've grown to expect more from them.

[klunderbunker]

And the big announcement after the match?

TWO BONUS WWE SHOWS THIS WEEK!

[smarkmouth]

Two heels just won two matches cleanly and the smarks will still complain about how heels are booked.

[Skairipa]

If Charlotte doesn't win this match I don't see how anything can prevent it from being awesome.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

No cool new theme for Becky yet? Come on

[JHOLCOMB22]

Asuka winning this match is the best outcome for everyone involved

[#AbsoluteUnit]

I really dig Becky's theme song

[shafe_41]

There's about a .01% Becky wins this.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Meanwhile, the other members of the womens revolution arent even on the card.

But at least they got to do an angle about dead jim neidhart

[#AbsoluteUnit]

There's about a .01% Becky wins this.

dang it.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

I really dig Becky's theme song

As do I.

She has outgrown it.

[klunderbunker]

Meanwhile, the other members of the womens revolution arent even on the card.

But at least they got to do an angle about dead jim neidhart

With Natalya getting the big win.

[klunderbunker]

Well that's several broken ribs.

[JHOLCOMB22]

I've decided I want Lars Sullivan to pull a reverse crash holly, and join 205 live and walk to the ring with a scale that doesn't go above 205 pounds each match.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

The absolute state of Charlottes hair....

[Yer Maw]

I've decided I want Lars Sullivan to pull a reverse crash holly, and join 205 live and walk to the ring with a scale that doesn't go above 205 pounds each match.

This needs to happen

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Ohhhhh that didnt look like it was going to work out lol

[Wildcat66]

RONDA SIGHTING AHOY!

[klunderbunker]

There's Wrestlemania.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Should have had the four horsewomen come out and blow up the match.

[klunderbunker]

Should have had the four horsewomen come out and blow up the match.

Dude, it's just not gonna happen.

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Oh come on. Do the full fly over the ropes smash through two tables gimmick if you are gonna end the match like that

[Skairipa]

Hell of a match, and the Wrestlemania foreshadowing was nice too. So happy Asuka finally is women's champion too.

[Yer Maw]

Well I was right about one of them

[TheManTheyCalledNorCal]

Dude, it's just not gonna happen.

Oh, its gonna. Just probably not soon. But if you are gonna turn Rhonda, may as well just do it.

[klunderbunker]

Oh, its gonna. Just probably not soon. But if you are gonna turn Rhonda, may as well just do it.

Not in the cards yet. They don't see opportunities like that because it's not planned just yet.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Shitty match.

[klunderbunker]

Tables Ladders And Chairs 2018
Date: December 16, 2018
Location: SAP Center, San Jose, California
Commentators: Michael Cole, Corey Graves, Renee Young, David Otunga, Tom Phillips

This show is now all the more interesting with Vince McMahon coming back to Raw tomorrow for the next shake up. That means things very well may mean nothing tonight, but at least we might get some entertaining stuff here. TLC has a tendency to be fun in a big insanity kind of way and that can carry it a long way. Let’s get to it.

Click on the link below for the full review.

Stairway To...Just Shy Of Heaven (http://kbwrestlingreviews.com/2018/12/16/tables-ladders-and-chairs-2018-stairway-to-just-shy-of-heaven/)

[mrluck_07]

Good PPV! Solid matches throughout. Most of my predictions were right. I figured Corbin was losing since Vince will be appearing on RAW.

[#AbsoluteUnit]

Did anyone notice that SmackDown didn't even have any GM appearances on the show? SmackDown > Raw

[ShinChan]

Did anyone notice that SmackDown didn't even have any GM appearances on the show? SmackDown > Raw
But don't you love authority figures? Isn't Raw > Smackdown then?

[#AbsoluteUnit]

But don't you love authority figures? Isn't Raw > Smackdown then?

Yes Shin!