Billboard Vandalized to Say "Kill the NRA". NRA Panics, Conservatives Sound Stupid

The gun control people are calling for isn’t going to do shit. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. The guns are already out there, and you have better chance of seeing God in the flesh than you do getting anybody to give up the guns they have. The black market is already rife with high powered weapons, and making it impossible to acquire what you want legally will only drive people to that black market. A huge percentage of murders each year already come from illegally acquired weapons.

Everybody has these easy solutions on how to fix the gun problem, but the fact is, there are no way solutions. Yes we absolutely have to do something to help prevent gun violence, I’m not going to dispute that, but there multiple issues that have to get worked out before we’ll get anywhere near curbing the murder rate. Those issues can only be worked out with a rational discourse from all the parties involved. We haven’t anything resembling a rational discourse in the US in a couple decades. It gets even more complicated when you realize the NRA is in the pockets of people on all sides of the debate.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

The gun control people are calling for isnâ??t going to do shit. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. The guns are already out there, and you have better chance of seeing God in the flesh than you do getting anybody to give up the guns they have. The black market is already rife with high powered weapons, and making it impossible to acquire what you want legally will only drive people to that black market. A huge percentage of murders each year already come from illegally acquired weapons.

Everybody has these easy solutions on how to fix the gun problem, but the fact is, there are no way solutions. Yes we absolutely have to do something to help prevent gun violence, Iâ??m not going to dispute that, but there multiple issues that have to get worked out before weâ??ll get anywhere near curbing the murder rate. Those issues can only be worked out with a rational discourse from all the parties involved. We havenâ??t anything resembling a rational discourse in the US in a couple decades. It gets even more complicated when you realize the NRA is in the pockets of people on all sides of the debate.

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I agree with you, there's no easy fix here. With regards to the black market though, that's not something that's available to just anyone. And if you make it harder, or even impossible, to get some of these weapons legally the availability and therefore price of them on the black market sky rockets. That's likely to make them inaccessible for several people who have committed mass shootings, and especially those school shootings done by teenagers.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

The gun control people are calling for isn’t going to do shit. That ship sailed a long, long time ago. The guns are already out there, and you have better chance of seeing God in the flesh than you do getting anybody to give up the guns they have. The black market is already rife with high powered weapons, and making it impossible to acquire what you want legally will only drive people to that black market. A huge percentage of murders each year already come from illegally acquired weapons.

Everybody has these easy solutions on how to fix the gun problem, but the fact is, there are no way solutions. Yes we absolutely have to do something to help prevent gun violence, I’m not going to dispute that, but there multiple issues that have to get worked out before we’ll get anywhere near curbing the murder rate. Those issues can only be worked out with a rational discourse from all the parties involved. We haven’t anything resembling a rational discourse in the US in a couple decades. It gets even more complicated when you realize the NRA is in the pockets of people on all sides of the debate.

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Good post, but on the topic of illegally acquired weapons, the deaths from those are primarily from gangland violence in things such as territory wars and drug deals gone wrong. Not that they're not deaths and not unfortunate, but I don't think it's fair to draw a equivalence between that and more cold-blooded murders, which can be done with any gun realistically.

Honestly, I think magazine sizes need to go down. Nobody needs a 100 round drum, or even 20 rounds in a clip unless you're planning on killing a group of people or you're in the military. 2nd Amendment advocates will go "But what about the need to uprise against a despotic government?". Ignoring the fact that this is never, ever going to happen because it would destroy America's status as a superpower and would be against everyone's best interest, the only way citizens are going to win that war is with a large percentage of defection from the military. The contribution from citizens would be negligible solely based on how far US military technology has come.

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Originally Posted by Fallout

Good post, but on the topic of illegally acquired weapons, the deaths from those are primarily from gangland violence in things such as territory wars and drug deals gone wrong. Not that they're not deaths and not unfortunate, but I don't think it's fair to draw a equivalence between that and more cold-blooded murders, which can be done with any gun realistically.

Honestly, I think magazine sizes need to go down. Nobody needs a 100 round drum, or even 20 rounds in a clip unless you're planning on killing a group of people or you're in the military. 2nd Amendment advocates will go "But what about the need to uprise against a despotic government?". Ignoring the fact that this is never, ever going to happen because it would destroy America's status as a superpower and would be against everyone's best interest, the only way citizens are going to win that war is with a large percentage of defection from the military. The contribution from citizens would be negligible solely based on how far US military technology has come.

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Why canâ??t you draw equivalence between gangland murders and mass murders, when the largest percentage of what is classified as mass murder is gangland violence? Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of the general murder rate including singular shootings is gangland violence.

The only time the issue is ever brought up when something like a school shooting, or the gay nightclub shooting or something of that ilk. Why doesnâ??t anybody bring this up when dozens of young black dudes in the inner city are dying each week?

The country has to be honest with itself and realize the issue has less to do with guns and more to do with why are people so goddamned disenfranchised before itâ??ll ever accomplish anything even close to a solution.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Why canâ??t you draw equivalence between gangland murders and mass murders, when the largest percentage of what is classified as mass murder is gangland violence? Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of the general murder rate including singular shootings is gangland violence.

The only time the issue is ever brought up when something like a school shooting, or the gay nightclub shooting or something of that ilk. Why doesnâ??t anybody bring this up when dozens of young black dudes in the inner city are dying each week?

The country has to be honest with itself and realize the issue has less to do with guns and more to do with why are people so goddamned disenfranchised before itâ??ll ever accomplish anything even close to a solution.

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The problem with gangland violence is that it's more to do with other factors than anything else. As you said, people go to the black market to get guns, which is something that requires preventative measures considering these specific weapons are already illegal, and these are the weapons commonly used in gangland violence and territory warfare. I think the issue is more cultural and social than necessarily material in that case.

However, a school shooting or a nightclub getting shot up is another beast. I'm not saying because people participate in gang culture that they deserve to die because that would be unbelievably dickish, but there is a sense of consent to the danger around that culture. A school or a nightclub does not in any particular way indicate violence, and gangs mostly stick to fighting amongst themselves rather than going after random groups of civilians. While single-target murders are going to be extremely hard to avoid, nobody should legally have the opportunity to have an easy time shooting up a group of people.

I'll preface with this, not that it really should matter: I'm a gun owner and a hunter.

Laws or regulations on distributors or consumers aren't going to solve the assault style weapon issue. A universal law stating that gun makers may only sell assault style rifles and/or high capacity magazines to non-civilian military buyers is the only way to eliminate the problem.

I'm not smart enough to know anything about universal or international law making, but taking the assault weapons away from the places that average Joe's go to purchase them seems like the only logical solution, if something like that is even possible.

There's no reason Billy Big Balls that lives two doors down needs an AR-15 to take to the gun range and make pumpkins explode. If you're that bad of a shot that you need 50 rounds to hit your target, you probably ought to take up a new hobby anyway.