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    I believe that modern day feminism is the biggest propaganda ever. It has nothing to do with its dictionary definition and everything to do with power grabbing. It rarely ever helps women who need it and indulges in meaningless battles. It tries to paint women as fragile beings who couldn't take two steps by themselves before being offended by something or someone. It consolidates power for women who already are on top and try to antagonize anyone with even slightly differing opinions.

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    Hasty generalizations should be booted from discussion if said discussion is meant to be civil.
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    Bond opinions:

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Live And Let Die are overrated.

    Moonraker and A View To A Kill are overhated.

    License To Kill and Tomorrow Never Dies are underrated.

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    I believe that modern day feminism is the biggest propaganda ever. It has nothing to do with its dictionary definition and everything to do with power grabbing. It rarely ever helps women who need it and indulges in meaningless battles. It tries to paint women as fragile beings who couldn't take two steps by themselves before being offended by something or someone. It consolidates power for women who already are on top and try to antagonize anyone with even slightly differing opinions.
    Another problem, in my view, are the feminists who believe that they and they alone decide what feminism is. I'm going to use stripping or porn as examples. How often have you heard women denounce being a stripper or working in the porn industry as degrading to women? Ideally, no woman should "have" to work in those fields but wet hardly live in an ideal world. Those "feminists" often don't see, or don't want to see, the world for what it actually is. Not every woman is white, lives in the suburbs, has/had access to political, financial and/or academic resources and opportunities; they have to make do the best that they can and to get to a place where they want in life financially, sometimes, all they may have are their looks. Even now, as I type this, I feel a little uncomfortable defending them in any way because I've been conditioned by society that strippers or porn actresses are "sluts" or some lower class of women because of what they do.

    Are there always alternatives to those professions? Sure. However, despite the right wing or politically correct propaganda we've all been sodomized by over the years, America isn't a land of equal opportunity where everyone can see their dreams come true through hard work. As I alluded to, not every woman is fortunate enough to have access to resources or really even the academic chops to become a doctor, lawyer or whatever. Hell, if you want to be honest, lawyers and doctors aren't exactly the noble breed they were once upon a time. Lawyers who twist the system, and manage to get judges to agree with their perspectives, are a major reason for so many flaws in our justice system and damn near half the doctors from my state are little more than drug dealers in white lab coats. That's not to say that there aren't viable alternatives but I think it's fair to say that most of those alternatives are generally minimum wage jobs where you live paycheck to paycheck. For some women, they'd rather give 5 minute lap dances for $25 a pop rather than flipping hamburgers for $7 an hour.

    I've probably gotten off track and started rambling, but I guess my point is that I always thought a fundamental foundations of feminism was a woman having a choice and having the guts to try to press on, to make the best of their situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallout View Post
    Bond opinions:

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Live And Let Die are overrated.

    Moonraker and A View To A Kill are overhated.

    License To Kill and Tomorrow Never Dies are underrated.
    I think people just have their own favorite actors who play Bond and will support their Bond with cult-like fever. I started out with Roger Moore and he will always be the true Bond to me, but the others are fine too. Moore's Bond films just happen to be really over the top cheesy, I wish the newer Bond films would just take a little bit of that fun into the newer films.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JGlass View Post
    I think you need to try some new places bro
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    To stay on the chicken fingers theme, IHOPâ??s chicken tenders are among the best out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberPunk View Post
    I believe that modern day feminism is the biggest propaganda ever. It has nothing to do with its dictionary definition and everything to do with power grabbing. It rarely ever helps women who need it and indulges in meaningless battles. It tries to paint women as fragile beings who couldn't take two steps by themselves before being offended by something or someone. It consolidates power for women who already are on top and try to antagonize anyone with even slightly differing opinions.

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    Another problem, in my view, are the feminists who believe that they and they alone decide what feminism is. I'm going to use stripping or porn as examples. How often have you heard women denounce being a stripper or working in the porn industry as degrading to women? Ideally, no woman should "have" to work in those fields but wet hardly live in an ideal world. Those "feminists" often don't see, or don't want to see, the world for what it actually is. Not every woman is white, lives in the suburbs, has/had access to political, financial and/or academic resources and opportunities; they have to make do the best that they can and to get to a place where they want in life financially, sometimes, all they may have are their looks. Even now, as I type this, I feel a little uncomfortable defending them in any way because I've been conditioned by society that strippers or porn actresses are "sluts" or some lower class of women because of what they do.

    Are there always alternatives to those professions? Sure. However, despite the right wing or politically correct propaganda we've all been sodomized by over the years, America isn't a land of equal opportunity where everyone can see their dreams come true through hard work. As I alluded to, not every woman is fortunate enough to have access to resources or really even the academic chops to become a doctor, lawyer or whatever. Hell, if you want to be honest, lawyers and doctors aren't exactly the noble breed they were once upon a time. Lawyers who twist the system, and manage to get judges to agree with their perspectives, are a major reason for so many flaws in our justice system and damn near half the doctors from my state are little more than drug dealers in white lab coats. That's not to say that there aren't viable alternatives but I think it's fair to say that most of those alternatives are generally minimum wage jobs where you live paycheck to paycheck. For some women, they'd rather give 5 minute lap dances for $25 a pop rather than flipping hamburgers for $7 an hour.

    I've probably gotten off track and started rambling, but I guess my point is that I always thought a fundamental foundations of feminism was a woman having a choice and having the guts to try to press on, to make the best of their situation.
    It is abundantly clear that both of you have an incomplete, biased view of the modern feminist movement. You are no more qualified to give a nuanced opinion of it than a illiterate is able to give a nuanced opinion of War and Peace.

    Because of that I'm going to refrain from insulting you and do my best to help enlighten you.

    Modern feminism is far from one school of thought. While most feminist groups have the same larger goal (equality for women), they differ in their belief of how that can be achieved and what that looks like. Jack-Hammer's view of feminism being a blanket of sex-negative thought is laughable, and most feminists I know, and myself included, are sex-positive and don't think there's anything wrong with anyone expressing their sexuality however they choose to, so long as nobody is harmed by it. I'd even go so far as to say that I disagree with Jack-Hammer's opinion that there shouldn't be a sex industry in an "idea world." Sex is part of life just like anything else, why shouldn't there be an industry around it? There's an industry around food, sleep, health, what makes sex so special?

    You are not wrong that there are women (and probably plenty of men too) that attempt to capitalize on that movement, and you're not wrong that there are toxic people within the feminism community, but that's true of literally every large group with an agenda. You can say the same thing about any government, any religion, any political organization, probably thousands of corporations, etc. But for some reason feminists are painted as hysterical women that want everybody to think the way they think and will make a racket until they get their way. Meanwhile the Catholic Church has been covering for pedophiles for at least a century, the government is using your money to keep Wall Street in business, and the Republican Party is letting the earth be destroyed for profit. But yeah, those cranky feminists sure are a burr in my boot!

    You guys sound like you've had a few negative experiences with feminists. I'd recommend trying to engage with intelligent women that know what they're talking about and doing so with an open mind. I have a friend who would probably be MORE THAN HAPPY to have an intelligent discussion about the state feminism with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidercanrana View Post
    You know, The Condemned wasn't that bad a movie. In fact when it comes to that grindhouse-esque exploitation type of flick, it really is worth seeing. It's been panned for being too much like Battle Royale, but besides a group of people having to kill each other on an island, there's really not much in the way for a comparison. Battle Royale was about youth-gone-wrong so the Japanese government stepped in with the BR Act and put a selected class in that elimination death match. The Condemned had Death Row inmates that were going to die anyways killing each other in the name of entertainment. Hell, Hunger Games was kids killing each other as a tribute to the lives lost in America's Second Civil War. There isn't much to really compare with the three yet you see people online do it all the time.

    The plot is good and it's also one of those things that realistically could happen. Hunger Games and Battle Royale are futuristic but Condemned isn't. There's enough going on in Condemned that makes it stand by itself. Way more memorable/original than The Marine.
    I actually enjoy that film from the standpoint of a fairly mindless action flick where the plot doesn't matter. Austin is a solid enough actor in those types of films and Vinnie Jones is fine in the role of villain/henchman. It included enough in the way of action and violence while not being too over the top to make it enjoyable. Plus Austin threw that bomb into a helicopter and that was pretty badass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberPunk View Post
    I believe that modern day feminism is the biggest propaganda ever. It has nothing to do with its dictionary definition and everything to do with power grabbing. It rarely ever helps women who need it and indulges in meaningless battles. It tries to paint women as fragile beings who couldn't take two steps by themselves before being offended by something or someone. It consolidates power for women who already are on top and try to antagonize anyone with even slightly differing opinions.
    You should probably not base your views on the subject off Facebook memes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack-Hammer View Post
    Another problem, in my view, are the feminists who believe that they and they alone decide what feminism is. I'm going to use stripping or porn as examples. How often have you heard women denounce being a stripper or working in the porn industry as degrading to women? Ideally, no woman should "have" to work in those fields but wet hardly live in an ideal world. Those "feminists" often don't see, or don't want to see, the world for what it actually is. Not every woman is white, lives in the suburbs, has/had access to political, financial and/or academic resources and opportunities; they have to make do the best that they can and to get to a place where they want in life financially, sometimes, all they may have are their looks. Even now, as I type this, I feel a little uncomfortable defending them in any way because I've been conditioned by society that strippers or porn actresses are "sluts" or some lower class of women because of what they do.
    It's their choice to be strippers or porn stars. It's not degrading to chose to work for such fields. No one is forcing women to work the porn industry.

    Are there always alternatives to those professions? Sure. However, despite the right wing or politically correct propaganda we've all been sodomized by over the years, America isn't a land of equal opportunity where everyone can see their dreams come true through hard work. As I alluded to, not every woman is fortunate enough to have access to resources or really even the academic chops to become a doctor, lawyer or whatever. Hell, if you want to be honest, lawyers and doctors aren't exactly the noble breed they were once upon a time. Lawyers who twist the system, and manage to get judges to agree with their perspectives, are a major reason for so many flaws in our justice system and damn near half the doctors from my state are little more than drug dealers in white lab coats. That's not to say that there aren't viable alternatives but I think it's fair to say that most of those alternatives are generally minimum wage jobs where you live paycheck to paycheck. For some women, they'd rather give 5 minute lap dances for $25 a pop rather than flipping hamburgers for $7 an hour.
    So they can't get a waitress job? Or a desk secretary job? Jesus Christ you make it seem like women can only choose from a high-end pay job or PornHub with absolutely no gray area. There's a ton of other jobs out there.

    I've probably gotten off track and started rambling, but I guess my point is that I always thought a fundamental foundations of feminism was a woman having a choice and having the guts to try to press on, to make the best of their situation.
    Yeah. And the choice to work in the porn industry has nothing to do with it.

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    "no one is forcing women to work in the porn industry" absolutely not true. Exploitation is rampant in the porn industry. It's a very volatile subject. Some choose, some are forced. See: Prostitution too.

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