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Yer Maw
06-08-2020, 02:26 PM
Randy Orton on twitter is the best.

Y 2 Jake
06-08-2020, 05:00 PM
WWE are finally laying the foundations for a proper women's division.

BestSportsEntertainer
06-08-2020, 05:47 PM
From the Death of WCW - "This was a program where Mike Awesome somehow won a Kidman versus Ric Flair match after getting powerbombed by Kevin Nash during a brawl with Hulk Hogan."

Standard sentence for 2000 WCW.

BestSportsEntertainer
06-11-2020, 03:20 AM
Stone Cold's podcast with Jerry Lawler (part 1 and 2) is one of the best interviews I've heard. Lawler's feud with Andy Kaufman was especially interesting. They knew how to work crowds like we'll never see again.

#AbsoluteUnit
06-11-2020, 07:03 AM
Tell us how you really feel guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zaGVm_H08

Fire Marshall Bill
06-11-2020, 11:49 AM
From the Death of WCW - "This was a program where Mike Awesome somehow won a Kidman versus Ric Flair match after getting powerbombed by Kevin Nash during a brawl with Hulk Hogan."

Standard sentence for 2000 WCW.

This might be one of the funniest lines I?ve ever read about wrestling 😂. That?s worth tracking down just for the hilarity.

BestSportsEntertainer
06-12-2020, 05:45 AM
Were TNA really only doing around 15,000 buys per PPV in 2010? That's embarrassingly low.

#AbsoluteUnit
06-12-2020, 06:44 AM
That's quite bad.

Brock Lesnar Originally Left on March 14, 2004 and returned April 2, 2012. Since April 21 of This Year, He's Been Back Longer Than He Was Gone

BestSportsEntertainer
06-12-2020, 04:04 PM
Total Bellas got more viewers and a better demo than AEW and NXT :lmao:

BestSportsEntertainer
06-12-2020, 04:13 PM
WWE should hire some online wrestling fans since they know exactly who's a draw and who isn't, somehow without looking at any data to back up their claims.

Yer Maw
06-15-2020, 03:27 PM
Can't believe Mick Foley was only 35 when he 'retired' in 2000

Alex
06-18-2020, 04:51 AM
Catching up with Impact and I'm on the episode where they have the Moose promo and they use footage from past talent (Jeff Hardy, Hogan etc) and it's edited to big up Moose. I thought that was hilarious.

BestSportsEntertainer
06-19-2020, 03:01 PM
Who could've predicted Randy Orton would be wrestler of the year and such a genuinely likable guy outside the ring?

Y 2 Jake
06-19-2020, 03:39 PM
I dunno. That Mania match was a stinker.

OYDK
06-26-2020, 01:15 AM
Rusev was so wasted in WWE. This guy would have been a star in any era, including this one had he gotten any sort of legitimate push. And he was built like a brick shit-house.

I feel like he'll eventually end up back with WWE, but it would be cool to see him in AEW.

BestSportsEntertainer
06-26-2020, 06:06 AM
This week's NXT drew 786,000 viewers. AEW drew only 633,000 viewers. Wow what happened?

Y 2 Jake
06-26-2020, 07:25 AM
NXT seems to be picking up steam again and is better at rotating their talent.

I think the AEW roster is already starting to feel a bit stale.

I'm sure they'll be back on top next week regardless.

Storm Trooper
06-26-2020, 08:41 AM
This week's NXT drew 786,000 viewers. AEW drew only 633,000 viewers. Wow what happened?



You're a wrestling fan and need to choose one thing to watch. What are you watching?

Broken Matt vs. Santana, and Orange Cassidy in the closing segment with Jericho

Or Keith Lee, Finn Balor, and Johnny Gargano for the #2 title and to be the #1 contender for the Title?

While I'm fond of all 4 of the AEW guys the non Jericho guys are not main event guys (Hardy is midcard, Santana tag team, and Orange Cassidy is a comedy midcarder). The NXT guys are top top guys fighting for a major prize.

Alex
06-30-2020, 01:39 AM
AEW fans get so salty when talent signs elsewhere. They did it with Marty Scurll they did it with Killer Kross, Tenille Dashwood, Kylie Rae ( who left AEW for Impact) and now apparently Gallows & Anderson have signed with Impact and a lot of AEW fans are asking why/justifying why AEW doesn't need them. It'll be hilarious to see their reactions if Rusev signs somewhere else

BestSportsEntertainer
06-30-2020, 12:03 PM
Edge wrote his own promos and almost all of his feud with Orton. How ironic that the feud of the year wasn't written by creative.

And I love this comment lol. "Edge once again getting one over on Matt Hardy."

Alex
07-03-2020, 06:04 AM
I really dig Ace Austin's The Fold finisher. It's simple, looks cool/devasting and can be done on pretty much anyone.

#AbsoluteUnit
07-06-2020, 06:44 PM
This is not a knock on AEW by any means,

Adam Cole has been NXT Champion longer than AEW as been in existence.

That's crazy!

Yer Maw
07-09-2020, 09:15 AM
So they gave Chelsea Green a manager and a story, then she won a tag match with Charlotte, dumped Robert Stone cos "she was too big for him", and has done nothing since?? I'm confused.

Storm Trooper
07-09-2020, 09:41 AM
So they gave Chelsea Green a manager and a story, then she won a tag match with Charlotte, dumped Robert Stone cos "she was too big for him", and has done nothing since?? I'm confused.
To be fair, it wasn't working so they cut their losses. Robert Stone is a comedy manager and they wanted Chelsea to be taken seriously. Now Stone is doing comedy with someone worthy of the comedy in Aliyah.

Also I cannot say if she is healthy/able/willing to compete right now. Maybe she was one of the people Corona'd? Or taking a Corona-hiatus?

Yer Maw
07-09-2020, 11:57 AM
To be fair, it wasn't working so they cut their losses. Robert Stone is a comedy manager and they wanted Chelsea to be taken seriously. Now Stone is doing comedy with someone worthy of the comedy in Aliyah.

Also I cannot say if she is healthy/able/willing to compete right now. Maybe she was one of the people Corona'd? Or taking a Corona-hiatus?

They weren't really doing the comedy angle before she left were they? It was only after she fired him that he started doing the "funny" bits.

Storm Trooper
07-09-2020, 09:21 PM
They weren't really doing the comedy angle before she left were they? It was only after she fired him that he started doing the "funny" bits.

That's the point. They tried to make him a serious character and it did not work. So they made him a funny character. Since Chelsea is not a funny character yet they split them up.

Yer Maw
07-10-2020, 01:31 AM
That's the point. They tried to make him a serious character and it did not work. So they made him a funny character. Since Chelsea is not a funny character yet they split them up.

Okay fair point. Still weird that they haven't done anything with her but you're right it could be that she's taking a beak cos of Covid.

smarkmouth
07-13-2020, 07:01 AM
Maybe I'm off base because I haven't watched WWE in some time, but Sasha vs Asuka is the correct main event for Extreme Rules, right?

Storm Trooper
07-13-2020, 09:01 AM
Maybe I'm off base because I haven't watched WWE in some time, but Sasha vs Asuka is the correct main event for Extreme Rules, right?
Well, it depends on your definition of Main Event.


I personally would have Drew/Dolph, then Sashuka, then end the night with Braun/Bray.

I'm starting the night with the Jeff/Sheamus Bar Fight, and end the night with the Wyatt Family Swamp Fight. It will feel awkward to go to The Swamp, then cut back to the "Live Crowd."

BestSportsEntertainer
07-15-2020, 06:17 PM
Moxley vs Cage going head-to-head with Lee vs Dijakovic. I love Wednesday nights.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-15-2020, 06:50 PM
Chris Jericho is one of the last must-see wrestlers. I always flip back and forth between AEW and NXT, but when Jericho's on, I'm glued to AEW.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-15-2020, 06:56 PM
r/SC triggered by Jericho calling himself the Demo God lol

Fire Marshall Bill
07-15-2020, 07:03 PM
I don?t know what SC stands for, but it did come off as desperate.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-15-2020, 07:05 PM
And Jericho annoys me on commentary. It?s just nonstop yelling.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-15-2020, 07:15 PM
I don?t know what SC stands for, but it did come off as desperate.

r/SquaredCircle

AEW's viewership doesn't appear to be that good at only 700k-800k viewers, but RAW averages well under 2 million. Last Monday they averaged just over 1.5 million. Wrestling's popularity has declined, but at the same time, people don't watch TV nearly as much as they did.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-15-2020, 07:38 PM
r/SquaredCircle

AEW's viewership doesn't appear to be that good at only 700k-800k viewers, but RAW averages well under 2 million. Last Monday they averaged just over 1.5 million. Wrestling's popularity has declined, but at the same time, people don't watch TV nearly as much as they did.

Well also wrestling isn?t the same without a crowd. Not sure how much come back though. On that note, not sure if Vickie can be as effective without a crowd. She?s a master at getting heat. No one to get it from right now.

And I meant AEW comes off as desperate for trying to defend their ratings. It?s a bad time for everyone.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-15-2020, 08:00 PM
Well I didn?t see that coming. Maybe that?s the best way out of the corner they booked themselves in? Cage didn?t quit or lose on his own.

On a side note, I missed Darby Allin. I see a lot of potential there.

Alex
07-16-2020, 02:08 AM
Ok I'll admit I haven't watched AEW since last year, but reading the results they seem to be slipping into TNA territory.

Hiring loads of ex WWE talent and pushing them in prominent roles. Putting the other talent (indie, smaller promotion guys) to go up against the WWE guys and losing. Management guys having some of the belts etc

I understand doing this (name recognition, reliability etc) but it's really annoying when you get people who go LOLTNA and then defend AEW for doing the exact same thing.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-16-2020, 02:34 AM
AEW could do a better job of building up their own talent, but they're still miles away from TNA.

Y 2 Jake
07-16-2020, 02:48 PM
AEW is nowhere near as interesting as TNA was before Hogan showed up.

OYDK
07-16-2020, 03:09 PM
I was gonna say. TNA was awesome at one point.

Alex
07-17-2020, 03:33 AM
The amount of talent AEW took from Impact and hasn't really done anything with them is interesting. Really similar to what WWE were doing in regards to hoarding talent. Brian Cage seems to be the only one they're actively doing stuff with and that's because he's new. Wouldn't surprise me if he falls down the ladder relatively quickly.

Since I started watching Impact again this year they've done a great job of getting me invested. Heck I'm all in on Chris Bey and he's only been there 3 months. Ace Austin is another one I want to see do well. Rosemary and Taya Valkyrie's team is interesting, Sami Callihan is great and Moose claiming to be the real world champion is also interesting.

Reading the results from AEW just doesn't inspire me to watch it. I like Jericho, Moxley, Omega, Cody, Lucha Bros etc. But the storylines just don't sound particularly interesting to me. WWE isn't doing it for me either. Jeff Hardy is arguably my favourite wrestler ever and the Sheamus feud seems like a meh version of the Punk feud from 2009

#AbsoluteUnit
07-18-2020, 05:51 PM
The WWE Title challenger tomorrow has 1 win in 2020 with a win over Tucker.

Seems legit.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-18-2020, 09:18 PM
TNA had some good talent, but they made a lot of mistakes. Same shit AEW is doing now. ?Wins matter!? ?Brand new shiny toy! Title shot!? I?m not even upset Mox is champ. It?s who he?s beating and when he?s beating them that?s the problem.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-18-2020, 09:22 PM
The WWE Title challenger tomorrow has 1 win in 2020 with a win over Tucker.

Seems legit.

Ziggler?s a good hand. I see no problem with him occasionally challenging for the title, especially since him and McIntyre have a history. I?m certainly not one of his defenders usually, but this isn?t a bad program.

Yer Maw
07-21-2020, 02:37 AM
Give me a Cesaro world title run and Cesaro v AJ Styles you cowards.

Alex
07-21-2020, 05:09 AM
Tessa Blanchard apparently wanted $150,000 for the Impact World Championship. Impact said screw you and just made a new one.

Well Tessa Blanchard is clearly on track to becoming Teddy Hart. Extremely talented, but burning every bridge she crosses

Y 2 Jake
07-21-2020, 06:37 AM
I don't think doing that to Impact will have much bearing on people wanting to hire her. If she gets over enough in WWE she can try it again. They're a very forgiving company.

#AbsoluteUnit
07-21-2020, 08:18 AM
New 24/7 champ Shelton Benjamin scored a singles victory over then champ R-Truth last night. It's Benjamin's first 1-on-1 win on RAW since defeating Super Crazy in 2006... before iPhones were introduced, The Big Bang Theory premiered & Twitter started using hashtags.

...That's crazy..

BestSportsEntertainer
07-21-2020, 09:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M2jL7tgqlo

This has aged poorly.

Yer Maw
07-21-2020, 11:33 AM
The first 25 seconds is what 90% of wrestlers do these days.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-21-2020, 06:37 PM
Vince's answer to low ratings was Randy Orton vs Big Show. In 2020. Says a lot about what he thinks of the current roster.

#AbsoluteUnit
07-21-2020, 06:58 PM
Wait, we still care about ratings?

BestSportsEntertainer
07-21-2020, 07:22 PM
If the NFL season starts on time and nothing drastically changes in WWE in the the next 2 months (and that doesn't mean Lesnar lol), RAW could fall to 1 million viewers or fewer. People are so desperate for live sports/normalcy that I could see Monday Night Football doing even bigger numbers than usual. WWE isn't dying of course, but I don't see how this isn't a big deal.

#AbsoluteUnit
07-21-2020, 10:32 PM
I'd still watch though, I could care less if the NFL is back or not. Know what I'm saying though?

Y 2 Jake
07-22-2020, 08:15 AM
Not really. Ratings are important. Other than maybe the Saudi deal, aren't TV deals their biggest source of income?

In a few years we might get genuine competition between AEW and WWE when they're both battling it out for 800k viewers a piece.

Yer Maw
07-22-2020, 09:14 AM
Speaking of ratings, how has raw went from 10 million viewers to 1.5 million?

jasaoverhaul
07-22-2020, 09:24 AM
Great... Nice ... :)

#AbsoluteUnit
07-22-2020, 03:20 PM
In a few years we might get genuine competition between AEW and WWE when they're both battling it out for 800k viewers a piece.

Well, you have a national promotion going up against a developmental brand at the moment. I guess it's a start, no?

BestSportsEntertainer
07-22-2020, 03:36 PM
NXT features many veteran indy wrestlers that were ready for the main roster from the start. NXT Takeovers have consistently sold out 10,000-15,000 capacity arenas over the last 3-4 years. It's not really fair to still call NXT a developmental brand.

Y 2 Jake
07-23-2020, 12:30 PM
AEW should sort put their singles female division before attempting a tag tournament.

#AbsoluteUnit
07-23-2020, 02:23 PM
Not even trying to be an asshole but, I didn't even know AEW had 16 contracted women on their roster.

But good for them.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-23-2020, 02:42 PM
According to Wikipedia, they have 19, but I looked up the list 2 minutes ago and can barely remember half of the names.

Britt Baker is a star. Nyla Rose is a monster. At least for me, they're the only two that stand out.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-23-2020, 09:32 PM
Not really. Ratings are important. Other than maybe the Saudi deal, aren't TV deals their biggest source of income?

In a few years we might get genuine competition between AEW and WWE when they're both battling it out for 800k viewers a piece.

This view doesn?t take into account the whole brand though. If you want to go on simple viewership numbers (which WWE has so much outside of that), let?s say they all get 1 million viewers. That?s still 3 million viewers for WWE compared to AEWs 1.

Fire Marshall Bill
07-23-2020, 09:34 PM
Not even trying to be an asshole but, I didn't even know AEW had 16 contracted women on their roster.

But good for them.

As I pointed out with their tag division, quantity over quality. Though in no way am I saying their tag division is as bad as their women?s division. Their tag division has so many booking issues it?s almost a parody of wrestling and it?s still not close to the terribleness of their women?s division.

BestSportsEntertainer
07-24-2020, 07:41 AM
https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/image/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/l/i/liorush1018-1-80d7.png

Who would ever wear this?

BestSportsEntertainer
07-24-2020, 08:52 AM
JR doesn't hold back. "The issues is not everybody [in AEW] listens. They think that some things in the industry suck. We don’t have tag ropes anymore because some of our crew think it’s lame. I think it’s bullshit. Heels need rules to break."

#AbsoluteUnit
07-24-2020, 11:19 AM
Legit saw a post on Reddit or twitter that prowrestlingtees or some other venture were coming out with a t-shirt that said, there's "only one eye in mysterio"

Clever, but odd.

Alex
07-30-2020, 03:36 AM
Abadon definitely seems to be ripping off Su Yung a bit

#AbsoluteUnit
07-31-2020, 07:39 PM
So Hiraku Shida cosplays as Tifa from FF7 and Nyla Rose switches between Scorpion and Jade from Killer Instinct. When Cornette says AEW is "video game cosplay wrestling", it's funny how he doesn't know how right he is.

This is not a knock on AEW.

Yer Maw
08-02-2020, 03:12 AM
WWE does it too, Gargano, Ripley, Rollins etc.

#AbsoluteUnit
08-02-2020, 07:52 AM
True. Zelina is notorious for it.

Alex
08-03-2020, 04:43 AM
I laugh at any guy who calls Deonna Purrazzo fat. They'd be first in line for a date with her given the chance

OYDK
08-03-2020, 06:24 AM
Most of those guys are bitter incels who've never seen a girl's nip-nods before. They'd date a doughnut if it game them a shot.

Storm Trooper
08-03-2020, 03:36 PM
I laugh at any guy who calls Deonna Purrazzo fat. They'd be first in line for a date with her given the chance
Wait... people actually do this? That's so evil of someone. So evil that it's villainous...



Most of those guys are bitter incels who've never seen a girl's nip-nods before. They'd date a doughnut if it game them a shot.
Nip-nods? WTF is a nip-nod? and when did that become a thing?

OYDK
08-03-2020, 05:05 PM
Nip-nods? WTF is a nip-nod? and when did that become a thing?

Nip-nod refers to a female areola/nipple that lies primarily in the breastular region. It's been a thing since the beginning of time. Read a book dude.

Storm Trooper
08-03-2020, 09:07 PM
Nip-nod refers to a female areola/nipple that lies primarily in the breastular region. It's been a thing since the beginning of time. Read a book dude.
I'm 35 and never in my life have heard a womans nipples and areolas called a nip-nod. In fact I never heard that phrase before today.

Y 2 Jake
08-04-2020, 12:32 AM
Learning the term doesn't seem to justify the research that would go into finding it out.

Yer Maw
08-04-2020, 03:00 AM
I laugh at any guy who calls Deonna Purrazzo fat. They'd be first in line for a date with her given the chance

Facts. She's gorgeous and she isn't even fat.

OYDK
08-04-2020, 03:05 AM
I'm certain the term nipnod appears in the bible at least 4 times. In other news, we've run out of things to discuss.

BestSportsEntertainer
08-04-2020, 10:51 AM
We have some interesting discussions on here lol

Yer Maw
08-07-2020, 02:41 PM
Oh my god I can't wait to see Pat McAfee wrestle!!

Said no one ever.

OYDK
08-07-2020, 03:49 PM
Watched this guy on Get Up this morning hype the match and I'll say this... his talking ability is up there with anybody on the roster right now as is his charisma. Wrestling needs more people like Pat McAfee.

Storm Trooper
08-07-2020, 06:51 PM
The plexiglass walls along the guard rail on WWE programming is awesome and I don't want them to go away when fans return to the arenas.

#AbsoluteUnit
08-08-2020, 05:39 PM
MVP has been on point since his return to the WWE.

BestSportsEntertainer
08-08-2020, 06:19 PM
It's understandable but sad to see WWE and, by extension, this site become less and less popular.

OYDK
08-09-2020, 11:07 AM
^ I remember when you could check "that other site" every hour and there would be like 10 new posts every time. Splitting was a necessity, but I knew it would neuter both forums.

BestSportsEntertainer
08-10-2020, 07:05 PM
Dave Meltzer in response to Jericho and Fozzy doing packed concerts with no social distancing or masks:

"And Jericho. So Jericho played, uh, last night. And he played, um, tonight in Sturgis. And he's playing, um, in, um, North Dakota. And, man, it's just very, very ill-advised to say the least. And then going in Wednesday, I mean, it it it's like, you know, the odds -- I don't wanna say, the, ah, you know -- I don't know what the odds are. I was gonna say the odds are nothing will happen, but but the risk is there. And it may not. I don't know. It's it's like the same thing when when I think about, like, you know, whoever it is. Whether, you know. When you're in that, going into that environment every week, you need to be real careful outside of that environment. Because if something happens and you're, you know, if you're really lax, you know, you're going on a, you know, going to the bars every night or, you know, not practicing social distancing or going to the beach or whatever. And then you come into these places, you know, um, I mean AEW is a little safer 'cause they're outdoors but still, you know it's people. People get infected outdoors all the time too. You know, indoors is worse. I'm well aware, but man it it's (sigh) I don't know. I mean, I I I just know how frickin' careful Moxley was, um, you know. I mean, like, Moxley pa- you know, Moxley passed test. And he wouldn't go because he didn't want to take that risk. And it's like these, if these tests were perfect it'd be one thing. But they're not and it's it's - this is very concerning. So, anyway, got that out of my system."

This is the actual transcript, no typos. How can anyone listen to this guy talk? He went out of his way to not say anything negative about Jericho or AEW (duh). Yeah I know I'm giving Meltzer way too much thought, but I still thought this was worth sharing.

#AbsoluteUnit
08-17-2020, 07:26 PM
Across the Nation was the best RAW theme song ever.

Alex
08-19-2020, 03:48 AM
I am still annoyed that Alex Shelley didn't get a good singles run in either TNA or NJPW. I like Chris Sabin but Alex Shelley would have made for a better TNA world champion. And I'm still annoyed Shelley didn't get a run with the IWGP junior title

OYDK
08-19-2020, 12:58 PM
I am still annoyed that Alex Shelley didn't get a good singles run in either TNA or NJPW. I like Chris Sabin but Alex Shelley would have made for a better TNA world champion. And I'm still annoyed Shelley didn't get a run with the IWGP junior title

I was always a Sabin guy myself, at least when he won the World title. I thought he was much more rounded than Shelley and the obvious star of the team. I'll say that Shelley's work has been much better than Sabin's over the last few years though. He probably could have had a decent singles run during his time with Kushida, as he was pretty over.

Y 2 Jake
08-22-2020, 10:27 AM
Retribution surely need to smash up some of the Thunderdome on Sunday.

Y 2 Jake
08-23-2020, 08:19 AM
Cody losing the TNT Championship to Lee appears to me to go against what they were building towards purely to pop a rating over a show they weren't really competing against this week.

Yer Maw
08-23-2020, 09:15 AM
Dakota Kai got no ass.

OYDK
08-23-2020, 10:45 AM
Doesn't need it.

Yer Maw
08-23-2020, 01:35 PM
Maybe not but would still be nice to look at

Alex
08-26-2020, 09:21 AM
I was always a Sabin guy myself, at least when he won the World title. I thought he was much more rounded than Shelley and the obvious star of the team. I'll say that Shelley's work has been much better than Sabin's over the last few years though. He probably could have had a decent singles run during his time with Kushida, as he was pretty over.


Sabin was probably better in-ring wise before his knees gave out but I always thought Shelley was the better talker and had a better presence. I kind of get that they didn't give Shelley the Junior title in NJPW because Devitt and Bullet Club were white hot but he could have been a solid foil to them and win it at least once.

I saw a flashback on Impact's Facebook and Sami Callihan has gained a noticeable amount of weight. Has he got some injury he's dealing with or has lockdown just got to him?

BestSportsEntertainer
08-26-2020, 05:44 PM
Excuse my French but what the fuck is up with Keith Lee's new gear?

Vince

#AbsoluteUnit
08-26-2020, 07:03 PM
Excuse my French but what the fuck is up with Keith Lee's new gear?


Glad I wasn't the only one. It legit looked like he was wearing a dress.

Fallout
08-29-2020, 05:07 AM
Perhaps he's paying homage to Vito.

BestSportsEntertainer
08-31-2020, 08:34 AM
WWE is promoting a Retribution appearance for RAW tonight... they really didn't think this through

BestSportsEntertainer
08-31-2020, 11:09 PM
Where has this guy been?

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/1300591007852105729

Alex
09-01-2020, 08:36 AM
I noticed that Moose's spear is being called "Lights Out" instead of "No Jackhammer Needed". It might not be the case but I feel Goldberg got pissy at it being called that

Yer Maw
09-01-2020, 09:07 AM
Where has this guy been?

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/1300591007852105729

Being a baby face.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-01-2020, 09:12 AM
Lol. A better question - why didn't WWE let Reigns be a heel 5 years ago?

BestSportsEntertainer
09-02-2020, 12:43 AM
Ricochet vs Mustafa Ali on Main Event is a complete waste of talent.

OYDK
09-05-2020, 04:26 AM
Wait a minute... WWE says they own the actual NAMES of their performers and are stopping them from profiting off of them? And then still have the balls to label them as independent contractors?

It's stuff like this that makes people think WWE is a piece of shit company.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-05-2020, 07:51 AM
From what I've read, they can still use these platforms, just not their character name.

What's the point?

OYDK
09-05-2020, 08:34 AM
From what I've read, they can still use these platforms, just not their character name.

What's the point?

I mean, that's a little bit better than the original report I read which stated, "McMahon held a call where he told stars that the WWE "owns the real names of talent, not just their character names." Imagine being told someone literally owns your name and can do whatever they want with it.

Either way, still a gutless move considering a lot of these guys make a decent secondary income from third party sites. Will be interesting to see the blowback. If you want to do this shit, make your damn employees actual employees.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-07-2020, 12:51 AM
Tell us how you really feel, Rusev

https://clips.twitch.tv/SuspiciousGrotesqueZucchiniPJSugar

BestSportsEntertainer
09-08-2020, 10:12 PM
Someone made a parody about Jericho's Fozzy concert.

"What have I become, now that I've betrayed
Everyone I ever loved, I gave them all covid
My lungs have been inflamed by the virus I welcomed
I'm welcome, I'm welcome, I'm welcoming
Covid in, covid in my lungs"

Yer Maw
09-15-2020, 04:16 PM
Keith Lee looks really weird in a singlet

Y 2 Jake
09-22-2020, 12:27 PM
WWE are missing a trick by not naming and gimmicking Retribution to match the storyline characters on the Battlegrounds game.

Bolo Reynolds
Billy Huggins
Etc.

Worked for Suicide in TNA.

Y 2 Jake
09-22-2020, 02:27 PM
Roman's new theme should be Mike and Maria's one.

Yer Maw
09-22-2020, 04:30 PM
The names for the retribution members has to be a joke right????

Storm Trooper
09-22-2020, 08:05 PM
I would like to provide evidence that the stupid Wrestling Observer is ridiculous and needs to go away.

So last week The stupid Wrestling Observer said that Bianca Belair and Peyton Royce. (https://wrestlingrumors.net/tommyhall/vince-mcmahon-drops-two-monday-night-raw-pushes/)

This week the stupid Wrestling Observer Newsletter said that Bianca Belair and Peyton Royce "caught Vince McMahons eye." (https://wrestlingrumors.net/tommyhall/vince-mcmahon-eye-someone-new/)

They were not featured on the 9/14 RAW but were featured on the 9/21 RAW. Literally that is the only thing they based their reports on.


Note: This is not knocking the incredibly talented writer that wrote the articles I linked. They are incredibly well done. The issue is that the stupid Wrestling Observer just makes shit up based on what they OBSERVE while watching Wrestling.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-26-2020, 05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1309798149347778560

https://twitter.com/TBARRetribution/status/1309850857333235712

BestSportsEntertainer
09-27-2020, 11:41 AM
Wrestling Twitter is literally more entertaining than RAW.

https://twitter.com/TBARRetribution/status/1310210161152327680

Y 2 Jake
09-27-2020, 05:41 PM
Jeff Hardy should walk around for the next week with that ladder attached to his ear. Maybe challenge for the tag titles.

klunderbunker
09-28-2020, 03:15 PM
I would like to provide evidence that the stupid Wrestling Observer is ridiculous and needs to go away.

So last week The stupid Wrestling Observer said that Bianca Belair and Peyton Royce. (https://wrestlingrumors.net/tommyhall/vince-mcmahon-drops-two-monday-night-raw-pushes/)

This week the stupid Wrestling Observer Newsletter said that Bianca Belair and Peyton Royce "caught Vince McMahons eye." (https://wrestlingrumors.net/tommyhall/vince-mcmahon-eye-someone-new/)

They were not featured on the 9/14 RAW but were featured on the 9/21 RAW. Literally that is the only thing they based their reports on.


Note: This is not knocking the incredibly talented writer that wrote the articles I linked. They are incredibly well done. The issue is that the stupid Wrestling Observer just makes shit up based on what they OBSERVE while watching Wrestling.

Oh I assure you it makes my head hurt too.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-28-2020, 05:20 PM
I played Smackdown vs Raw GM Mode all the time as a kid but never actually won because I'd book matches like John Cena vs Triple H in a Hell in a Cell match for the WWE Championship and only get 3 1/2 stars while the computer booked matches like Kurt Angle, Johnny Nitro, and Torrie Wilson vs Snitsky, Candice Michelle, and Trish Stratus and somehow get 4 3/4 stars.

Storm Trooper
09-28-2020, 05:30 PM
I played Smackdown vs Raw GM Mode all the time as a kid but never actually won because I'd book matches like John Cena vs Triple H in a Hell in a Cell match for the WWE Championship and only get 3 1/2 stars while the computer booked matches like Kurt Angle, Johnny Nitro, and Torrie Wilson vs Snitsky, Candice Michelle, and Trish Stratus and somehow get 4 3/4 stars.
I watch Woods and Breeze on Up Up Down Down weekly in their GM Mode. It's glorious to see the shit they do, including things like that.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-29-2020, 10:37 AM
A pet peeve of mine: Drew McIntyre being friends with the legends and needing them to beat Orton made him look weak. Could you imagine Stone Cold needing Randy Savage, Andre the Giant, and Tito Santana to help him beat The Rock?

Storm Trooper
09-29-2020, 10:57 AM
A pet peeve of mine: Drew McIntyre being friends with the legends and needing them to beat Orton made him look weak. Could you imagine Stone Cold needing Randy Savage, Andre the Giant, and Tito Santana to help him beat The Rock?
I fail to see how this was a case of him NEEDING help to beat Orton. I see it as a case of unwanted help that really didn't really prevent Orton from winning (which they even said on RAW). Hell, he beat Orton clean as a whistle at SummerSlam so he definitely didn't need the help.

And Austin literally defeated The Rock at WrestleMania because of outside interference from Mr. McMahon.

BestSportsEntertainer
09-29-2020, 03:14 PM
This has still been a good, borderline great story, but the legends inclusion hasn't quite worked. It feels forced and unnatural, they've overshadowed Drew a bit, and it's an excuse for another rematch. Drew beat Orton clean at SummerSlam and had him beat clean at Clash of Champions and yet we're still getting another rematch? Drew vs Orton is perfect for Hell in a Cell, but again we shouldn't have to do that just because it's October.

Austin was turning heel and didn't get help from a legend.

Yer Maw
10-04-2020, 01:46 PM
I really hope the mystery person tonight isn't Bo Dallas. Talk about severely underwhelming.

Storm Trooper
10-04-2020, 03:44 PM
I really hope the mystery person tonight isn't Bo Dallas. Talk about severely underwhelming.
Here's my top 5 list for who it is:

1. Bo Dallas
2. Bobby Roode
3. Seth Rollins
4. Samoa Joe
5. Big E (really my #1 choice but if he's gonna go old school then lord knows he gotta be 5).

Storm Trooper
10-04-2020, 06:15 PM
I would like to amend my choice for the mystery person.

Baron Corbin.

Yer Maw
10-04-2020, 10:13 PM
Rollins and Big E? Bro what you been smoking

Storm Trooper
10-05-2020, 12:10 PM
Rollins and Big E? Bro what you been smoking
You like Rollins feuding with Mysterio? Fine keep watching that. It was a way to move him and get that feud over.

And Big E singles run has been a never ending feud with Sheamus. Go down to NXT and work for the title. Sounds better. Hell I'd consider moving New Day to NXT even. NXT needs star power.

Ember Moon was a good idea though. Glad they went there.

Yer Maw
10-05-2020, 04:18 PM
I clearly never said I liked that and it is boring but Stevie Wonder could have seen that wasn't happening

Storm Trooper
10-05-2020, 08:42 PM
I clearly never said I liked that and it is boring but Stevie Wonder could have seen that wasn't happening

My bad, my list was a wish list, not a list of who it would be. I'll take the L on that one.

Alex
10-06-2020, 04:17 AM
EC3 has been more engaging talking about a belt in the last few months than his entire WWE run

BestSportsEntertainer
10-06-2020, 12:09 PM
My bad, my list was a wish list, not a list of who it would be. I'll take the L on that one.

To each his own, but why did you have Bo Dallas at 1?

Storm Trooper
10-06-2020, 01:39 PM
To each his own, but why did you have Bo Dallas at 1?

Because I BO-LEIVE!

Seriously I enjoyed Bo Dallas and it would be nice to see them do something with him. I mean he has not been seen for like a year or so and he is still on the roster. Considering he was a former NXT Champion it could have worked.

BestSportsEntertainer
10-06-2020, 01:52 PM
I've always inexplicably loved Bo Dallas and Curtis Axel.

Everything about the B Team's run was great. They were naturally funny and entertaining. Battle Scars was an awesome theme. Corey screaming undefeated. The look of disbelief and pure joy on their faces as they finally started winning matches. It was a nice feel good story. You knew it wasn't going to last and shouldn't, but that only added to it.

Their shirt along with Rusev Day are the only wrestling shirts I've owned. Never forget, the B stands for Dream!

OYDK
10-08-2020, 02:11 AM
So is Jake Hager just done with MMA? He was actually funner to watch in the Octagon.

Alex
10-08-2020, 03:53 AM
So is Jake Hager just done with MMA? He was actually funner to watch in the Octagon.

Doesn't he work for Bellator? Have they even been running anything?

jain
10-08-2020, 04:31 AM
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OYDK
10-08-2020, 12:54 PM
Doesn't he work for Bellator? Have they even been running anything?

Didn't even think of that. They haven't done a show since March but believe they're coming back at the end of the month. Hope he sticks with it.

Alex
10-09-2020, 02:18 AM
I don't get why WWE hasn't sold belt buckles of their titles. Wouldn't it be cool to have a belt buckle of the winged eagle belt or the attitude era belt?

Yer Maw
10-10-2020, 02:46 AM
Riddle gets drafted to smackdown and people are excited and think he's going to be a big deal then 2 months later he gets killed by Lars Sullivan. **major eye roll**

Y 2 Jake
10-10-2020, 08:51 AM
Matt Riddle will really catch on with a live crowd and get a bit more exposure.

I want more Lars Sullivan porn to emerge, so I endorse his push.

Alex
10-11-2020, 04:31 AM
It's been ten years since TNA did 10/10/10 and I still feel it was arguably one of the best endings to TNA PPV. The follow up kind of sucked, but the idea of heel Jeff Hardy doing his antichrist gimmick would have been awesome to see it play out to it's full potential.

Fire Marshall Bill
10-11-2020, 11:48 AM
It's been ten years since TNA did 10/10/10 and I still feel it was arguably one of the best endings to TNA PPV. The follow up kind of sucked, but the idea of heel Jeff Hardy doing his antichrist gimmick would have been awesome to see it play out to it's full potential.

I?m completely opposite on this. They spoiled that a new faction was coming at the PPV, and it was a pretty bad faction. Everyone knew when Bischoff had Dixie sign some random papers the episode before that he was duping her. And Hardy didn?t have the mic skills at the time to lead what was supposed to be a monster heel faction. The only question was which wrestler in the main event was joining. I honestly can?t think of a more disappointing faction. By that I mean something that was supposed to be huge and failed entirely. Nexus maybe. Obviously there are worse factions out there.

Alex
10-12-2020, 08:23 AM
I?m completely opposite on this. They spoiled that a new faction was coming at the PPV, and it was a pretty bad faction. Everyone knew when Bischoff had Dixie sign some random papers the episode before that he was duping her. And Hardy didn?t have the mic skills at the time to lead what was supposed to be a monster heel faction. The only question was which wrestler in the main event was joining. I honestly can?t think of a more disappointing faction. By that I mean something that was supposed to be huge and failed entirely. Nexus maybe. Obviously there are worse factions out there.

I don't remember all the details off the lead up to Immortal. I remember Abyss laying out RVD with Janice for the world title to be vacated. I remember Abyss talking about 'They' all the time, but that's it. I'd need to go back and watch it from the beginning again. Jeff Hardy was the best choice for a WTF reaction. He'd never been heel before (except for a week in 2003 I believe). While Jeff has never been a great talker he's got charisma so I feel limiting his talking would add to the mystique.

I think Immortal failed because they had to many members (Fourtune joining randomly and leaving a few months later was dumb). And the fact Hogan was there front and centre instead of having a managerial role.

I feel it could have been successful with a few tweaks. Jeff being clean for one, but also limiting his talking, Hogan/Bischoff being in a manager role for both Jeff and the others (Abyss and Jarrett maybe add one or two more members after), Fourtune not joining. Build them up for a year (maybe even two) before finally a face defeats Jeff and turns him and Immortal disbands.

BestSportsEntertainer
10-23-2020, 07:20 PM
What was in the briefcase used to bribe JBL?

klunderbunker
10-23-2020, 08:20 PM
What was in the briefcase used to bribe JBL?

Money. There was a cash register sound when he looked in.

Alex
10-25-2020, 09:32 AM
At the rate NWA people are turning up in other promotions it'll just be Nick Aldis wrestling himself

Y 2 Jake
10-25-2020, 05:32 PM
Lesnar's return to WWE should be against Reigns.

After Roman kicks Heyman to the curb, Heyman should go searching for Brock in a series of vignettes. He should find him in a lighthouse or on the high seas. Bearded, wearing a chunk knitted jumper.

Y 2 Jake
10-25-2020, 06:02 PM
If they want respectful fans in the Thunderdome, why not place cameras in front of comatose people in a care home?

Yer Maw
10-29-2020, 04:06 PM
Matt Riddle is going to come out in a green suit on Monday isn't he?

OYDK
10-30-2020, 09:40 PM
The end of Smackdown should be the beginning of the build towards Reigns/Bryan at Mania. Watching Bryan chase Reigns for months would be great.

BestSportsEntertainer
10-31-2020, 08:41 PM
I know the biggest stars will always rise to the top, but I'm not sure that could happen today.

Would Stone Cold or The Rock be stars if they started their careers in today's era of name shortening, 50/50 booking, and terrible scripted promos?

Y 2 Jake
11-01-2020, 06:45 AM
Maybe a bold prediction, but Full Gear will be when all of The Elite transition into heels.

BestSportsEntertainer
11-04-2020, 06:28 AM
Jericho's not political but he donated to Trump. Well ok.

Y 2 Jake
11-04-2020, 10:30 AM
Jericho being a tool isn't a new concept to me.

BestSportsEntertainer
11-06-2020, 07:39 PM
"Remember Heidenreich? Let's bring back that character."

Yer Maw
11-07-2020, 02:24 AM
"Remember Heidenreich? Let's bring back that character."

Michael Cole should be very afraid

subathararaj
11-07-2020, 04:41 AM
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Alex
11-07-2020, 06:10 AM
Fans complain about there not being enough representation in wrestling but only seem to look at WWE for that sort of thing which confuses me because if you look at Impact and to a lesser degree ROH and AEW you get a fair amount of representation. So does it only count if WWE does it?

Storm Trooper
11-07-2020, 09:47 AM
Fans complain about there not being enough representation in wrestling but only seem to look at WWE for that sort of thing which confuses me because if you look at Impact and to a lesser degree ROH and AEW you get a fair amount of representation. So does it only count if WWE does it?
Yes because, with all due respect to the other companies, WWE is the only one that gets any mainstream publicity. As such, WWE=Wrestling to the mainstream.

I do wonder what you mean by representation though.

Y 2 Jake
11-07-2020, 05:57 PM
The Full Gear poster features, excluding Lance Archer who's WWE run is long forgotten, 5 low level former WWE guys.

BestSportsEntertainer
11-07-2020, 06:10 PM
Who?

Y 2 Jake
11-07-2020, 06:22 PM
Lee, Miro, Matt Hardy and FTR.

Alex
11-08-2020, 12:23 AM
Yes because, with all due respect to the other companies, WWE is the only one that gets any mainstream publicity. As such, WWE=Wrestling to the mainstream.

I do wonder what you mean by representation though.

People talking about non white wrestlers (specifically black ones) in prominent roles. There was that thing of pushing Naomi a few weeks back and there was the whole Kofi being the first black WWE champion. And then there was ACH last year going on about never getting a fair shot.

I just find it interesting when you point to other companies that have been doing this thing for years (Impact, ROH) apparently it doesn't count.

Yer Maw
11-08-2020, 03:17 AM
So should we make someone a world champion just because they're black/asian/alien?

Maybe the reason why there isn't any "representation" is because they aren't good enough.

Alex
11-08-2020, 06:25 AM
So should we make someone a world champion just because they're black/asian/alien?

Maybe the reason why there isn't any "representation" is because they aren't good enough.

Or they would rather do other sports.

I just find it interesting that you get people calling for representation ignoring wrestling companies that have been doing it for years.


If you look at specifically black representation for example R-Truth was NWA world champion in TNA, Monty Brown was one of the best wrestlers in early TNA and still looked on fondly, Lashley was a dominant world champion and literally held every belt in the company, Kenny King was X-Division champion, Rich Swann is the current world champion and has been highlighted ever since joining the company, Moose is one of the backbones of the company, Chris Bey and Willie Mack are highlights of the X-Division. Kiera Hogan and Tasha Steelz are enjoyable as chickenshit heels and are definitely in contention for the Knockouts tag titles. Heck if Jay Lethal left ROH they'd be probably even more fucked than they are now and he's one half of the tag champs with Jonathan Gresham who's just won the Pure title. Heck The Hurt Business seems to be doing quite well in WWE currently as is Sasha Banks.

And then there's the bizarre technicalities used by people to negate The Rock and Booker T being world champions in WWE. The Rock being half Samoan and Booker T only holding the World Title (which in 2006/2007 was still pretty much on par with the WWE title at the time). Sounds rather bizarre to me.

And lets not forget that there's been tonnes of Hispanic, Japanese and Samoan wrestlers in prominent roles over the years.

There is a relatable aspect of seeing someone like you doing well somewhere, but character is why you become and stay a fan. I don't like Slash and his music because he's mixed race. I like him because he's a great guitarist, has made some great music over the years and has a great sense of style and cool. And I think the same can be applied to wrestling

Y 2 Jake
11-08-2020, 07:34 AM
When MJF smiles he looks like Station from Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.

Storm Trooper
11-08-2020, 08:36 AM
People talking about non white wrestlers (specifically black ones) in prominent roles. There was that thing of pushing Naomi a few weeks back and there was the whole Kofi being the first black WWE champion. And then there was ACH last year going on about never getting a fair shot.

I just find it interesting when you point to other companies that have been doing this thing for years (Impact, ROH) apparently it doesn't count.

So Naomi should get pushed, right? so does she take the championship from a Japanese woman or a black woman? Those are your options right now unless she decides to go to the UK.

Kofi was never the first Black WWE Champion. he was the first African BORN WWE Champion. That analogy would be like saying Drew was the first white champion when he was the first UK born champion.

The Rock is 100% a minority, and is the biggest star in the history of the business. The current #1 guy in the business is Samoan.

WWE currently has 11 champions that are non-white. 5 black men, 1 black woman, 2 Japanese women, a Samoan man, a Samoan lady, and a Mexican man all hold championships. That's 11 out of 24 champions (2 cruiserweight champs right now), and it'll go up once R Truth gets back the 24/7, 48/7, 7/11, I-95 South, European, Television Championship tomorrow night.

Alex
11-11-2020, 02:39 PM
So Naomi should get pushed, right? so does she take the championship from a Japanese woman or a black woman? Those are your options right now unless she decides to go to the UK.

Kofi was never the first Black WWE Champion. he was the first African BORN WWE Champion. That analogy would be like saying Drew was the first white champion when he was the first UK born champion.

The Rock is 100% a minority, and is the biggest star in the history of the business. The current #1 guy in the business is Samoan.

WWE currently has 11 champions that are non-white. 5 black men, 1 black woman, 2 Japanese women, a Samoan man, a Samoan lady, and a Mexican man all hold championships. That's 11 out of 24 champions (2 cruiserweight champs right now), and it'll go up once R Truth gets back the 24/7, 48/7, 7/11, I-95 South, European, Television Championship tomorrow night.

I think you're misunderstanding me dude. I totally agree. I just find it interesting the people who do complain about it don't at attention all that much

Alex
11-11-2020, 02:41 PM
If it's true that the Rascalz are leaving Impact I'm a bit disappointed. I was hoping they'd get a run with the tag belts at least once. Heck I was hoping Trey was going to win the X-Division belt at least once as well

BestSportsEntertainer
11-16-2020, 09:06 AM
I just finished Season 1 of Community, and I can't say enough good things about it. 25 episodes and all 25 are great.

How can WWE, especially RAW, compete with shows like this? You can literally watch 9 episodes of a critically acclaimed show on Netflix without commercials or 3 hours of RAW, which can be awesome at times but is often just decent if not terrible.

Storm Trooper
11-16-2020, 10:34 AM
I just finished Season 1 of Community, and I can't say enough good things about it. 25 episodes and all 25 are great.

How can WWE, especially RAW, compete with shows like this? You can literally watch 9 episodes of a critically acclaimed show on Netflix without commercials or 3 hours of RAW, which can be awesome at times but is often just decent if not terrible.
Well, for one thing eventually you're gonna finish Community and you'll need something else to watch, and WWE is new every week.

Also, Community, and virtually every other television show (except for a small handful), is not professional wrestling. That's how you compete with it, by providing a different show. Some people don't like community (hell the vast majority didn't watch it hence why it got canceled) and want to watch something else.

Instead of watching RAW you could also watch Monday Night Football, or Dancing With the "Stars," or whatever the hell MTV airs instead of music videos. Or you can go out for a walk, or have intercourse with a partner of your choice (if they are willing). Using that mindset there is literally an endless amount of competition for WWE and they are still going strong 27 years later.

BestSportsEntertainer
11-16-2020, 04:23 PM
Nia Jax has been known to hurt other wrestlers in the ring and now she's refusing the coronavirus vaccine so she can hurt fans outside the ring. Living the gimmick, brother!

Storm Trooper
11-16-2020, 09:20 PM
I really like that Sheamus (a Heel) is seen as friends with Drew McIntyre (a Face) in these backstage segments. They're actually friends, and have a history together so it fits.

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Storm Trooper
11-19-2020, 06:10 AM
If Pat McAfee never played college and pro football, and instead went to wrestling school and then the Indies, he would be the WWE Champion by now.

As is, he should totally beat Leon Ruff for the North American Championship. Then let Dunne beat Balor so McAfee and Co. can fulfill the Golden Prophecy.

Y 2 Jake
11-19-2020, 12:10 PM
I like that idea. Only switch Dunne and McAfee around.

Storm Trooper
11-19-2020, 05:38 PM
I like that idea. Only switch Dunne and McAfee around.
So have McAfee beat Balor and Dunne beat Ruff? I'm not against it I just figured Ruff is (for lack of a better term) a Jobber Champion and McAfee beating Balor in his 2nd or 3rd professional match is a stretch.

Y 2 Jake
11-20-2020, 10:06 AM
I think the leader should have the top belt if that's the direction they go. Not like McAfee is going to win it and retain it without a lot of help. Could be built to a special moment when a new baby face finally dethrones him.

Alex
11-20-2020, 02:42 PM
The Rascalz should have been Impact tag champions at least once. They're one of the newish talent that are not only good in the ring but actually have personality. Will be interesting to see where they end up

Y 2 Jake
11-20-2020, 03:30 PM
Either a place where they don't care about teams or another promotion where there are too many teams.

Y 2 Jake
11-21-2020, 12:54 PM
Randy Orton should stealthily take out all of Undertaker's buddies as he's delivering his retirement speech tomorrow.

smarkmouth
12-04-2020, 09:54 PM
Having to remain distant from your closest friends makes Big E, Kofi and Woods the most relatable people in WWE.

Hey folks, all well?

OYDK
12-06-2020, 04:02 AM
Rant time.

CM Punk said wrestlers should be embarrassed that Pat McAfee's a better promo than them, and he ain't wrong. Dude comes in and within weeks is the most must-see person on the show. That's actually a pathetic statement on wrestling today. An NFL kicker with almost 0 experience, who's been in this role for under a year, is head and shoulders better at this thing than guys who've been working decades. That shit just would not happen in other eras. It's like Mr. T coming in and being better than Hogan ffs.

smarkmouth
12-06-2020, 06:58 AM
Rant time.

CM Punk said wrestlers should be embarrassed that Pat McAfee's a better promo than them, and he ain't wrong. Dude comes in and within weeks is the most must-see person on the show. That's actually a pathetic statement on wrestling today. An NFL kicker with almost 0 experience, who's been in this role for under a year, is head and shoulders better at this thing than guys who've been working decades. That shit just would not happen in other eras. It's like Mr. T coming in and being better than Hogan ffs.
To be fair, you could make the comparison to Kurt Angle is well. Dude walked in the door and was as good at chewing the mic as the main eventers.

It's worth noting that even Punk recognizes talents are handcuffed to scripts, which are more often embarrassingly ham fisted and unnatural. As great as WWE is at raising the platform of their talents they're also REALLY GOOD at cutting the let's out from under them.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 07:29 AM
To be fair, you could make the comparison to Kurt Angle is well. Dude walked in the door and was as good at chewing the mic as the main eventers.

True, he was on par with almost everyone, but he wasn’t noticeably better. I didn’t want to see Kurt Angle more than I wanted to see Stone Cold or The Rock or The Undertaker, at least not within his first couple years or so. This might be completely subjective, but Mcafee is the most purely entertaining part of NXT to me right now, by a certain margin. Really has been since the Cole feud.


It's worth noting that even Punk recognizes talents are handcuffed to scripts, which are more often embarrassingly ham fisted and unnatural. As great as WWE is at raising the platform of their talents they're also REALLY GOOD at cutting the let's out from under them.

Yeah, I’m also of this opinion. But it also makes me wonder if McAfee is also given a script. Why would he have more free reign than everyone else? Why are some people so much better than others? Do half the wrestlers have a script and the other half don’t? Or are some people just given better scripts? I don’t know, I feel like in the end, talent and charisma will show itself... eventually at least.

Storm Trooper
12-06-2020, 09:27 AM
Punk was not wrong. McAfee is better than just about everyone else. And yes, the talent should take that and strive to be better. But McAfee SHOULD be better. McAfee spends 3 hours a day hosting a TALK SHOW on the radio, it's natural that he TALKS better than everyone else. We should be PRAISING McAfee instead of knocking everyone else.

And I believe McAfee gets more free reign because he talks for a living, and because he can just walk away whenever he wants and go back to one of his 6 other million dollar businesses. He's told how long he has and what he should talk about.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 11:08 AM
Punk was not wrong. McAfee is better than just about everyone else. And yes, the talent should take that and strive to be better. But McAfee SHOULD be better. McAfee spends 3 hours a day hosting a TALK SHOW on the radio, it's natural that he TALKS better than everyone else. We should be PRAISING McAfee instead of knocking everyone else.

I mean, does that mean Howard Stern should be able to outpromo The Rock? 80% of a wrestler?s job is to sell stories, and most of that involves talking. I?m knocking everyone because people who have been in the business for a decade should not be this outmatched by an NFL punter. Not that guys like Gargano, Ciampa, and Cole suck or anything, but Mcafee has upstaged them since arriving. I don’t like being a hater, but it says something about the business today, at least as far as WWE goes.


And I believe McAfee gets more free reign because he talks for a living, and because he can just walk away whenever he wants and go back to one of his 6 other million dollar businesses. He's told how long he has and what he should talk about.

Do we know this though? Does he have free reign or does he make a script work better than others? Nobody knows, that?s the point. So to say he?s better because he doesn?t have a script isn?t necessarily true. I feel like everyone who can talk is said to not be scripted, but we don?t know that. Maybe some are just better than others?

BestSportsEntertainer
12-06-2020, 12:18 PM
I think it says a lot more about McAfee. He has so much charisma he would've been a star in any era.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 12:36 PM
I think it says a lot more about McAfee. He has so much charisma he would've been a star in any era.

True, guy's special for sure.

Fire Marshall Bill
12-06-2020, 04:07 PM
Yes. Howard Stern could cut an amazing promo if he needed to. I have 0 doubts about that. The guy is enormously popular for a reason.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 04:19 PM
Yes. Howard Stern could cut an amazing promo if he needed to. I have 0 doubts about that. The guy is enormously popular for a reason.

Howard Stern, in a wrestling ring, could outpromo The Rock?

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Storm Trooper
12-06-2020, 04:28 PM
This is perfect timing. (https://www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1213036-pat-mcafee-on-getting-freedom-in-promos)

Pat McAfee is not told how to talk.


Oh, and Howard Stern would out-talk just about anyone in the universe. So yes even The Rock.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 04:29 PM
Also, new headline on random site: "Pat McAfee on Getting Freedom in his Promos: WWE Won't Tell Him How to Be Himself."

THEY'RE WATCHING US.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 04:31 PM
Well, I would most certainly like to see that. Too bad we can only make crazy claims that can never be proven.

Also, I have no doubt that Stern's a great talker. That's obvious. There's more to cutting a wrestling promo though. Haven't we seen enough "TV show hosts" that are absolutely fucking terrible in a wrestling setting? That Hoda Kobb (or however you spell her name) should be a much better promo than Charlotte than right? I mean, she does talk for a living.

Storm Trooper
12-06-2020, 04:45 PM
Well, I would most certainly like to see that. Too bad we can only make crazy claims that can never be proven.

Also, I have no doubt that Stern's a great talker. That's obvious. There's more to cutting a wrestling promo though. Haven't we seen enough "TV show hosts" that are absolutely fucking terrible in a wrestling setting? That Hoda Kobb (or however you spell her name) should be a much better promo than Charlotte than right? I mean, she does talk for a living.
I think this argument should be prefaced with if they want to. Obviously throwing someone that doesn't want to be there and doesn't want to put in the effort won't be as good. But if they want to most of them would be. Especially if they are exuberant and have some semblance of a personality.


Also, Charlotte is a bad comp, because her promo is meh.

OYDK
12-06-2020, 05:06 PM
I think this argument should be prefaced with if they want to. Obviously throwing someone that doesn't want to be there and doesn't want to put in the effort won't be as good. But if they want to most of them would be. Especially if they are exuberant and have some semblance of a personality.


I can give you three examples off the top of my head that prove this claim wrong. Jon Stewart, Morton Downey Junior, Maria Menounos. Big personalities. Wanted to be there. Decent talkers when it came to their appearances, but not in the same stratosphere as the people they were in the ring with when it came to exchanging. There is literally one guy who came in and was immediately on par with the top guys in terms of must-see, and it had nothing to do with his promo skills (Bonus points if you can guess who).

Someone's gonna have to kill me on this hill.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-15-2020, 03:18 PM
AEW beat all 3 hours of RAW in the 18-49 demo.

#AbsoluteUnit
12-15-2020, 04:37 PM
^ WWE is dead then!

Storm Trooper
12-15-2020, 05:45 PM
AEWs ratings would be chopped in half if they had to go against the Browns/Ravens game last night.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-15-2020, 06:10 PM
But they're not

Storm Trooper
12-15-2020, 06:22 PM
So I guess you think WWE should move RAW off of Monday nights?


My point is the act of comparing Wednesday night ratings to Monday night ratings is ridiculous.

#AbsoluteUnit
12-15-2020, 06:33 PM
^ BSE, you're my dude, no lie. Trooper said it best though.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-15-2020, 06:36 PM
I think they should write better shows so they don't lose key demos to a year old company.

Fire Marshall Bill
12-16-2020, 06:36 AM
Monday night?s game is being proclaimed by some commentators as one of the best games of all time. Definitely hyperbole, but still gives you an idea what kind of game it was. Using it as a weapon against WWE, when AEW literally has to move days/times for the NBA, which isn?t nearly as popular, is just bad form. But keep trying.

Storm Trooper
12-16-2020, 10:21 AM
I think they should write better shows so they don't lose key demos to a year old company.

Raw has yet to lose the "key demo" to a year old company. They lost the "key demo" to a 100 year old company who has aired on Monday Night for 50 years. Once AEW starts airing on Mondays then you can start comparing. Until then it is comparing apples to sledgehammers.

AEW is beating NXT in ratings, yes. And I do believe NXT should move off Wednesday to avoid the competition (even though NXT was there first). They have yet to beat RAW or Smackdown since they do not compete and air at separate times.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-16-2020, 11:17 AM
So a year old t-shirt company run by a money mark and full of vanilla midgets who know nothing about psychology or promos on Wednesday got higher ratings in the key demo than all 3 hours of a 27 year old show that's been untouched for over 20 years and has all the biggest stars on Monday

I guess that invalidates the entire thing :shrug:

Storm Trooper
12-16-2020, 12:14 PM
There is nothing to invalidate. This is nothing but people making nonsense comparisons just to make AEW a bigger deal. To use your words, it's nothing but a mark for a "t-shirt company run by a money mark and full of vanilla midgets who know nothing about psychology or promos" skewing stuff to praise AEW.

comparing ratings across days is not how ratings works. Different competition, different number of people watching TV, etc.


Best thing is Tony Khan has said that he will never air on Mondays because he DOESN'T want to compete with Monday Night Football, so even the "money mark" that runs the company knows that running Monday is bad and skews ratings.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-16-2020, 01:12 PM
Compared to the same week last year, RAW was down 26% in overall viewership, 32% in 18-49, and 48% in 18-34.

Is that all because of football?

Storm Trooper
12-16-2020, 01:48 PM
Monday Night Football was up 9% overall (the only increase in the NFL all week)

MNF last week: 2.45 18-49, 1.86 18-34, 11.36 overall.
MNF this week: 3.57 18-49, 2.63 18-34, 12.42 overall.


The product being down obviously plays a big part. A global pandemic played a big part (TV as a whole has been down). No live crowd plays a part. But what does NOT play a part in that? Another wrestling show on a different night.

Fire Marshall Bill
12-16-2020, 03:49 PM
Yeah everything?s down, which doesn?t make sense to me since more people are home. Sports? ratings are at all time lows.

Storm Trooper
12-16-2020, 05:46 PM
Yeah everything?s down, which doesn?t make sense to me since more people are home. Sports? ratings are at all time lows.
1. Sports without a crowd gives a completely different vibe, one a lot of poeple don't feel is as good.
2. DVR makes people want to record a show and watch it later. Ratings may not reflect that yet.
3. There's about 39824 channels from your cable/satellite provider which dilutes the market.
4. There's about 9345987 streaming services that each have about 239783904875983475 different options to watch at your leisure completely diluted the market.

Alex
12-17-2020, 11:20 AM
I really want a pair of shoes like Sami Callihan's snake skin shoes (or whatever material they're made out of)

OYDK
12-19-2020, 01:05 PM
Shinsuke Nakamura lost clean to Otis in two minutes. Somewhere, my 19 year old self is crying.

BestSportsEntertainer
12-20-2020, 12:07 AM
Carmella's reign with the SD Women's Championship was longer than all 5 of Sasha's reigns with the Raw Women's Championship.

Y 2 Jake
12-20-2020, 06:44 PM
Charlotte Flair is this generation's Michael Jackson

Storm Trooper
12-20-2020, 07:03 PM
Charlotte Flair is this generation's Michael Jackson
I'm assuming you mean she's a once-in-a-lifetime talent, and not someone who changed skin color or is a kid-toucher.

Y 2 Jake
12-21-2020, 03:36 AM
In terms of her ever morphing face

#AbsoluteUnit
12-23-2020, 07:02 PM
Sometimes I really regret reading spoilers.

Storm Trooper
12-23-2020, 07:09 PM
Sometimes I really regret reading spoilers.
Don't like the match results for Friday? I was there live for the last 2 matches. it was good stuff.

#AbsoluteUnit
12-23-2020, 07:14 PM
Don't like the match results for Friday? I was there live for the last 2 matches. it was good stuff.

Got nothing against the results for Friday.

Storm Trooper
12-23-2020, 07:26 PM
Got nothing against the results for Friday.
Ahh, wish you were surprised by them? I get that, but for a holiday show I don't mind it, as it is nice to know if the show sounds like shit I don't have to watch it.

#AbsoluteUnit
12-23-2020, 07:31 PM
Ahh, wish you were surprised by them? I get that, but for a holiday show I don't mind it, as it is nice to know if the show sounds like shit I don't have to watch it.

Nah, I just hate giving into reading spoilers.

Storm Trooper
12-23-2020, 08:53 PM
Nah, I just hate giving into reading spoilers.
I am the same way normally. Thankfully I got to be in the Thunderdome for the last 2 matches so I saw one of the 2 matches that mattered. Since I already saw them (and the commentary told me the result of the other) I read the spoilers.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-14-2021, 03:57 PM
Of course the president from the WWE Hall of Fame did an invasion angle

Storm Trooper
01-14-2021, 05:56 PM
Of course the president from the WWE Hall of Fame did an invasion angle
And of course it was just as successful, with a bunch of jobbers trying to take over the established Main eventers.

Storm Trooper
01-19-2021, 10:19 PM
Tony Kahn is a bigger TV character on Impact than he is in AEW.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-26-2021, 06:43 PM
https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/wwe-is-seriously-considering-something-crazy-for-the-mens-royal-rumble-match/

Exhibit A for why I stopped going to every wrestling news site except WrestlingRumors.net

#AbsoluteUnit
01-26-2021, 07:39 PM
^ Cheap pop, but I agree.

klunderbunker
01-27-2021, 02:07 AM
https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/wwe-is-seriously-considering-something-crazy-for-the-mens-royal-rumble-match/

Exhibit A for why I stopped going to every wrestling news site except WrestlingRumors.net

Much appreciated but.....it's on there too.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-27-2021, 03:29 AM
^True... but y'all still have the best columns and reviews

Alex
01-27-2021, 04:27 AM
As morbid as it is to say I was recently wondering, if Chris Benoit had just killed himself would we still think of him as a legend like we did before his death? I guess the answer would be yeah.

Y 2 Jake
01-27-2021, 08:40 AM
I'll put a fiver on Alexa Bliss winning.

Fallout
01-27-2021, 08:55 AM
As morbid as it is to say I was recently wondering, if Chris Benoit had just killed himself would we still think of him as a legend like we did before his death? I guess the answer would be yeah.

Of course. It's the double-murder, one of which was a 7 year old child with mental impairments which people rightfully hold against him.

People don't hold the fact Kerry Von Erich killed himself against him.

Y 2 Jake
01-27-2021, 09:21 AM
He'd still be with WWE in some capacity if he was alive and well.

Stone Cold Tea
01-27-2021, 10:37 AM
I watched The Undertaker documentary again recently and when he mentions having no recollection of that day it made me think of the Benoit incident.

klunderbunker
01-27-2021, 12:08 PM
^True... but y'all still have the best columns and reviews

Much appreciated. I'm not wild on putting some of those things up either but there are some things that just have to be there.

Stone Cold Tea
01-29-2021, 03:19 AM
Adam Pearce costs Owen's the match this Sunday

Storm Trooper
01-29-2021, 02:16 PM
Adam Pearce costs Owen's the match this Sunday

Oh God I hope not. I like Adam Pearce in his role as non-bias official. An Adam Pearce Heel turn would be the last thing any promotion needs, which is a heel authority figure.

And likewise I don't want him to cost him the match due to incompetence because I'd rather he just be a competent official. In all honesty I'd rather he just have had the match himself then cost KO the match.

BestSportsEntertainer
01-29-2021, 04:40 PM
Reigns vs Pearce could still happen at one of the 2 PPVs between the Rumble and Mania.

Adam Pearce's current role is perfect.

Alex
01-30-2021, 04:59 AM
Matt Hardy appears to be on a mission to have an entire promotion made up entirely of his offspring. Reby is pregnant again with a girl this time. So you've got King Maxel as world champ the other two boys as tag champs and the girl as women's champ. He just needs one for the midcard title and one for the comedy role

Yer Maw
01-30-2021, 12:31 PM
Who does everyone think wins the rumble matches tomorrow then?

Y 2 Jake
01-30-2021, 12:34 PM
Rhea Ripley

Brock Lesnar

BestSportsEntertainer
01-30-2021, 02:26 PM
Bianca Belair and The Fiend

Storm Trooper
01-30-2021, 02:35 PM
Rhea Ripley and Daniel Bryan or KO.

#AbsoluteUnit
01-30-2021, 05:10 PM
Charlotte and Seth Rollins

Yer Maw
02-01-2021, 11:13 AM
Catching up on the rumble and damn Carlito is JACKED

BestSportsEntertainer
02-01-2021, 11:24 AM
I want Edge and Christian vs The Usos at Elimination Chamber or Fastlane.